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I think dp has bipolar disorder, and he doesn't. Where do we go from here?

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Twoddle · 08/10/2007 19:28

My parents, several of mine and dp's mutual friends, and I suspect that dp may have bipolar disorder. We have wondered about it for over a year now. Dp, while recognising that he feels very alive and energetic at the moment, believes he does not have the condition.

I can see him promising things and initiating (some slightly daft) projects which, should he become depressed (as he did for the first six months of this year), he will find impossible to deliver on. And he is slightly scaring and offending friends with some of the things he has said and done lately, which I feel sad about, as he treasures his friends and doesn't realise how he's coming across. And we share many friends and I don't want to alienate them

I think it's a priority to look into this and establish if we are, indeed, dealing with bipolar disorder here. But dp thinks I'm labelling, being overly negative, etc - fair point - and wants to just get on and enjoy the wonderful way he's feeling at the moment, which I understand. Argh.

What do I do? Where do we go from here?

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Sobernow · 08/10/2007 19:36

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zippitippitoes · 08/10/2007 19:41

hi twoddle

I am just off out to tesco now but will post something later..

Kathyis6incheshigh · 08/10/2007 19:45

My ex-bf has this and his friends organised an intervention - ie they all got together and confronted him as a group. Very American. But he was much worse when they did that - psychotic from lack of sleep because he was so manic.

I know this sounds like I'm taking the piss, but how about timing it carefully so you talk to him when he is halfway between a manic and depressed phase and hence the most susceptible to reason?

pootleflump · 08/10/2007 19:51

My db was diagnosed with bipolar and his behaviour was very like your dp's. On his highs he used to come up with money-making plans, even going so far as getting friends and family to invest small amounts of money in him, only for him to hit a low and lose interest and everyone else lose money.

Exactly as Sobernow described, he used to have racing thoughts which stopped him sleeping for days on end and really distressed him.

I really hope you can get your dp help as it's a really dangerous condition. My db killed himself this year, less than a year after his diagnosis.

Twoddle · 08/10/2007 20:49

Thank you all for your suggestions. pootleflump, I'm so sorry to hear about your brother; that must have been so painful for him, and your family.

I think the group approach could deeply hurt dp at the moment - he's so very happy and feels he's finally figured himself out ... which he may have done? The one-good-friend idea sounds plausible, and I'll look out a Bipolar Disorder support charity. Approaching dp between phases sounds like a plan, for a rational chat about it (haven't been many of those over the past week - lots of falling out ).

zippi, I await your post with interest, as I've searched through archived threads and found your posts on this helpful. I'm waving fish oils at dp daily atm! Any recommendations you have on books, lifestyle, etc, would be much appreciated. And on medication - as far as I can gather, bipolar disorder is not necessarily straightforward to manage with medication? I'm sure you could help me better empathise with how dp might be feeling, too.

Thank you ever so much.

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zippitippitoes · 08/10/2007 20:51

well it is a hard thing to diagnose though if he seems to tick some boxes ...from what you say he may...then he could start by seeing his gp

on the plus side it is possible to lead a fulfilled life and cope with being bipolar...it is very much in the hands of the person who is bipolar for a lot of the time and there are lots of positive things you can do to help yourself..and indeed I don't believe it is a wholly negative thing

it is very hard to decide whether you are ill at any given time and indeed quiote possible to be totally convinced at times that you are misdiagnosed

complex,can be hard and devastating at times but not completely pessimistic is my view...indeed it is a part of who you are

try reading touched by fire which is a brilliant book and a great read with lots of insight a fave of mine

xx

zippitippitoes · 08/10/2007 21:01

oh i see you have read some of my posts..i forgot this is another of my niche subjects lol

ok lifestyle

try to have a reasonable bedtime and getting up time
cut down or out alcohol and caffeine
try to have a healthy low gi diet

ie keep everything balanced

slightly different for a man as at least they don't have so many hormonal problems

but also worth getting thyroid checked

coping with racing thoughts is hard and not sleeping at all is...walking or physical exercise is very good...

avoid morbid music

ventures and plans which you don't have the energy/will/cash to realise is hard

self knowledge is the key

having an involved partner is good somebody who doesn't crush you but who helps with a few checks and balances

imo nothing beats self awareness

and in the high but not manic phases don't let fear make you try and counter his feel good times too much

I've posted stuff about medication before it is very individual and there isn't necessarily a cure all...trial and error maybe

not all manic depressives take medication

some take it at times

lots hate it

zippitippitoes · 08/10/2007 21:06

suicide atte mpts and unshifting depression are bad too and mixed states which can be the worst for risk of suicide

some people swing rapidly through moods and others have very long periods of stability or depression

long highs are less likely i think (i'm not trained in this lol)

so cycles vary with individuals and within individuals

Twoddle · 10/10/2007 00:33

Thank you, zippi. I've checked out the diagnostic criteria, and dp meets them - for having had both a depressive (6 months-ish) and a manic phase (3 months) in the past year .

I can appreciate that, particularly for those with a creative bent, it is certainly not all bad. Dp is having so many ideas for developing and expanding his business, and put these to his staff yesterday. He was enthusing about how much of a brilliant day he'd had, and I just thought: "Oh God, what's he started that he might not be up to continuing? They've already had him 'disappear' on them once." I wish I could feel more enthusiastic with him. I fear I am being more crushing than gently guiding at the moment .

I have known dp since we were teenagers, long before I began to suspect bipolar around a year ago. I think what I feel the most upset about is that I've 'lost' dp. In the past 12 months, dp has been the man I know and love for maybe only 2 of those months. And I'm angry too, because in the past 12 months, I spent dp's 3 high ones feeling dispensible, trapped at home and used while dp went out almost constantly and neglected family responsibilities. And then for the first 6 months of this year, he couldn't get out of bed in the morning, so even if I'd had an awful night with ds, that didn't matter - dp got the extra rest. People would come over and he'd be in bed and I didn't know what to say. Argh!

I feel so guilty for not really liking dp at the moment, and for being very centered on how dp's moods are affecting me and ds. Oh dear.

Anyway, just had to vent about this, I think! Helpful - really helpful - to have your insight, and some info to be moving forward with.

Do you take med's, zippi? And how much of the time do you tend to feel stable? Hope you're feeling well at the mo. Thanks for help.

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slim22 · 10/10/2007 04:29

Hi twoodle.
Zippi, interesting insight.
My best friend was diagnosed 2 years ago and taking lithium ever since to manage what is essentially a manic tendency for her.
Last year she decided to change her well balanced life and do an art course and theatre. We saw her blossom as she was finally pursuing her passion. But she was clearly doing too much with too much passsion and then one day, out of the blue she lost it.
Sleepless nights, talking complete nonsense, erratic/aggressive behaviour, erotic dellusions. You name it, it was all there. She had to be sectioned.For one whole long month she would not come down even with medication. 2 more months to recover fully from delusions/psychosis.

This is of course a nightmare scenario. We never thought it would come to this as she has very caring husband/family/friends to help keep balance. But it did because we were so happy to see here enjoying herself and not depressed anymore that we let her go free wheeling.

Bottom line is: treatment essential. Well balanced life even more.
Keep things calm and orderly in your lives. Stick to schedules and patterns and talk talk talk.

Good luck.

Charlee · 10/10/2007 07:31

Hi Twoddle, i have/am Bipolar. It is so hard at the begining when it isn't diagnosed and can be had to except that you have a problem when your in an 'up' stage.

It was only when i sunk into a really dark place with my depression that i recognised i had a problem and went to my g.p, i ended up sobbing all over him literally.

The best thing for me and what our family struggled with and still does occasionally is dp found it hard to try and understnad and his reaction to my excessive mood swings was to just stress at me which made them 10x worse,.
I'm not saying it was his fault as he didn't understand but eventually i was able to sit him down and explainn how i was feeling and that it actually is an illness and nothing i can do to hel it except take my medication and try and control it as best i can.

Bipolar is usually hireditary i got mine from my grandmother, i was in my late teens before i realised just how bad i was getting.

I would say support him through his 'up' stage and then approach him when he is feeling down and may be able to see exactly what is going on a bit better.

zippitippitoes · 10/10/2007 09:07

i struggled for years without a diagnosis though i think i hadan idea...i had problems with my husband which i tried to deal with for a long time eventually i was doing too much and got stressed and went to the gp for anti depressants and because no one knew i was bipolar the whole thing went nuclear and eventually i ended up in hospital for 3 months

that was 8 years ago and at the same time i met dp and left my husband

i have been coping without meds...dp was good and ive worked really hard atit

this summer dp became exdp and that was a massive challenge..both he and exh decided independently that i would fall apart and kill myself but i haven't yet but its been hard

i think i have found a strategy for not getting depressed or cutting it short which is staying up late and chatting on the internet, but this makes me high so i have to be careful its a constant awareness except when you start to get manic you feel so good

i am finding out what its like on my own now and i think it is feeling quite dangerous at times

i would never let anyone think it is anything but a very high risk thing to have

and very very unredicatble i could be writing this now and psychotic and suicidal by the weekend but you can't live like that

most people think im nbormal lol which i am of course....its not an uncommon thing to have and its interesting its me tbh

and hi charlie and you other folks

Twoddle · 10/10/2007 10:33

Can't chat right now, but THANK YOU all.

Understanding, understanding, understanding ...

x

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Ditzymumofone · 10/10/2007 10:42

Charlee and Zippi, is there a way to talk off board about this, have had recent diagnosis and am struggling a bit

zippitippitoes · 10/10/2007 11:58

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zippitippitoes · 10/10/2007 12:00

I obviously have had meds...not sure you can manage without when you are very ill

last time was briefly before last christmas and they were crap so not going there again in a hurry

but everyone is different

slim22 · 10/10/2007 12:15

Hello all,
just want to send good vibes and wish you all well.
I started a thread in july about my friend. Was completely lost as to how to help. Got a lot of support from Mummylin. try and contact her. She has helped a close family member cope and is quite knowledgeable on the subject.

I now understand that it is very difficult to talk sense to someone on a high because it is such a great feeling when you've been really down low before. However, you really must recognise the signs and have people around you help/force you to slow down.

Take care

slim22 · 10/10/2007 12:17

the thread is in "feeling depressed" BTW

zippitippitoes · 10/10/2007 12:32

I shpould say that anything i say is my own point of view and a lot of people disagree with me re meds etc and life in general lol

especially people who have partners relatives who with bipolar..

I like the term manic depressive better too..it appeals to my literary side and it i think it is more expressive

kindersurprise · 10/10/2007 13:38

My SIL was diagnosed with bipolar about 14 years ago. She was always very hyper and found it difficult to keep a job. When she was told by her gynocologist that she only had 2% chance of having children (after TTC for a couple of years) she became more and more difficult to be with.

She was very high, spent hundreds of pounds on things that she could not afford, decided to go and visit friends in a town 3 hours away so that DH and I had to go down and pick her up as her friends did not want her to drive home. It all came to a head when she ordered a new BMW. She had to be sectioned. I always felt that the gynie was responsible for the outbreak, this is probably not true but it was very difficult for her to come to terms with. I know that it is inheritary but it seemes as if the infertility set her off, iyswim.

After that she had ups and downs, staying reasonably stable and then she fell pregnant (2%chance, my ar**e!)

When she is low, she is easier to get on with, because she isn't doing "crazy" things and because she can function and appear to be a normal, if quiet person. It is terrible to say, but for her family it is almost better when she is like this. Saying that, I do recall her being so subdued and quiet at our wedding, not like her normal self at all.

She is on medication, and when she got pregnant again 4 years after the birth of her DD, she came off the meds. Not long after her DS was born she had her second very manic phase, leaving her month old son with her mother and goign out on the town, ordering an expensive mobile phone... Again she was sectioned and spent some weeks in hospital.

That was the last time that it was so bad, her DS is now 9 and she has ups and downs but never so extreme as these two episodes. It is very difficult for her family as they are on the look out for signs of a high phase, MIL gets upset if SIL has her hair restyled and dyed, as she did that prior to her 2 extreme episodes.

She was very lucky to have a very supportive family, especially her DH who has stuck with her through all her problems. She also had Non-Hodgkins 2 years ago and coped really well with the chemo etc.

She goes to see her doc every 4 weeks and gets an implant (I am not sure what meds she is on at the moment) and has a little chat with her therapist.

She has been stabel for a long time, it is possible to live with this disease, but it is really important to remember (and to tell your family and friends) that it is a disease , it is not a case of pulling yourself together.

Interesting to read Zippi's advice, seems like PILs are doing the right thing, they often take the DCs so that SIL does not get too stressed. I sometimes get annoyed with SIL for being so lazy, this thread has made me realise that perhaps it is her way of keeping her condition under control.

I hope that you can find a way to convince your DH to see a GP or therapist. SIL was very reluctant to see a therapist in her high phases, she told me afterwards that she did not want it to end. She also directed a lot of her anger and frustration onto one person, at times her DH, sometimes at PIL. Her anger was irrational, but it was still very hurtful for those concerned.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/10/2007 16:07

Twoddle,

One of your postings was asking about a manic depression support group. I can help you in this regard.

Have a look at this charity's website:-
www.mdf.org.uk

HTH and good luck. You need support too.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/10/2007 16:11

This charity was mentioned on a Radio 2 programme about manic depression some months ago:-

MDF The BiPolar Organisation - National Office
Telephone:
08456 340 540 (UK Only)

Postal address:

MDF The Bipolar Organisation
Castle Works
21 St. George's Road
London
SE1 6ES
United Kingdom

Registered Charity no 293340

HTH also.

Twoddle · 10/10/2007 23:35

Ah, thank you all. This thread has been so helpful to understanding what dp may be going through, and to working out where to go from here.

Big thank you for all your insights, zippi, and Attila for the MDF link. Will check that out.

Thanks for telling me about your sister, kinder. It sounds as though things have steadied for her, which must be encouraging for you all - and is for me too!

Ditzy - all the very best.

Today, while dp was away on business, I phoned his PA who is lovely and expressed some of my concerns and asked her just to keep an eye and keep communicating with me - in terms of how full-on dp may/may not become with his business. She was very understanding, and could see what I was getting at. I spent a day building up to this, as it feels kind of sneaky, if that makes sense? I feel guilty about speaking with her behind dp's back. The thing is, I'm mindful of the fact that, if he is experiencing a manic episode, he likely won't know it and it's down to family, friends and colleagues to look out for him. Argh.

Anyway, night night all, and thanks again. It's been a big help having the thread on the go, as I had been feeling pretty isolated since dp became like this just over a week ago.

x

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Twoddle · 05/12/2007 19:25

Here is the latest. Any thoughts, zippi and others?

Thank you.

x

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