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Shocked yesterday at just how many people are overweight?

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Whatevskev · 29/09/2019 08:39

And I know I’ll get loads of bashing but I’m not judging- myself and all my family may well be included in this observation

The day before I’d been watching a documentary about the 40s and was struck by how slim the vast majority of people were. We got chatting as a group and I remembered there was only one child at school who was considered to be overweight (this is the 80s) so I got a photo out and realised by today’s standard he wouldn’t stand out at all.

Then yesterday walking around town I started actually noticing and it struck me that only about 1 in 10 people if that would be classed as properly slim and how normalised carrying extra weight is. Many people who would have been maybe a size 12 so ‘slim’ are actually carrying so much more body fat than our ancestors.

Once I looked it was striking.
No blame on anyone- society makes it almost impossible to maintain a lower weight unless you have iron will with all the food availability and snacking culture and calorie laden drinks and meals.

And we definitely have reset in our heads what is slim and what is ‘normal’.

How on earth do we reverse this is a society or is it just going to rise exponentially?

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TatianaLarina · 01/10/2019 15:32

You have to drive for about an hour to get out of London..

TatianaLarina · 01/10/2019 15:33

As we get taller, so our frames must get wider. Think about it.

I’m 5 11 I’m not particularly wide.

MadameForest · 01/10/2019 16:58

As we get taller, so our frames must get wider. Think about it.

Not for everyone, I'm 5'8 and have a very narrow frame, so I look normal at the bottom end of the 'heathly' BMI scale, overweight in the middle and huge at the top end around 24.

Abraid2 · 01/10/2019 17:47

I live in the country and other than walking the dog there is no reason for walking. There are no pavements just muddy tracks. No shops. Nearest small one is 2.5 miles away so five miles round trip. A bit time-consuming for a pint of milk. In a city you have lots of smaller walks in the course of a day.
No school here, either. In the winter it is warm by soon after four and walking on country lanes is dangerous.

I actually really like it here and do go out and walk the dog, but I rely on the gym for real fitness. In the city I waked far more.

I am slim but have to factor in exercise in a way that I didn’t when walking to the tube or shops while working in London. The dog is getting elderly now and requires shorter walks, which means more gym.

The good news is that you can’t buy cheap and unhealthy food here. Possibly crisps in the pub, but no doughnuts or sweets or ridiculously caloric coffee.

Abraid2 · 01/10/2019 17:47

Dark, not warm!

Fatshedra · 01/10/2019 18:21

We drink more in the U.K. than other countries.
Picking up a couple of bottles of wine when food shopping is the norm.
My local Tesco has rows of big plastic tins of what are supposedly Xmas chocs as you go in. Cheap offers. There's no way that amount is all being kept for Xmas.
The big food companies rule - Kraft, Unilever etc

RoseQuartzGlow · 01/10/2019 18:25

It's not just France where people are thinner , it's Italy too. Middle aged women tend to run to fat, but young people are all whippet thin.

raisinseverywhere · 01/10/2019 18:47

I often lose weight when I go on holiday, even when I went to America, purely because I don’t snack when on holiday. At home I’m constantly raiding the fridge and kitchen cupboards.

People just didn’t snack in the same way 20 or 30 years ago. Food is much cheaper relatively now, and comes in snack sizes, eg I’ll snack on a babybel cheese, sliced cheese or grated cheese, whereas years ago I’d have to slice it off a large block which I probably wouldn’t do.

3luckystars · 01/10/2019 18:50

I was thinking about this thread (again) and just thought of something else.

Years ago on channel 4 there was a programme called the food hospital or food clinic. Anyway, they were testing this young boy with mild asthma and skin problems, they advised taking all milk and traces of milk out of his diet for 6 weeks.
Then when the 6 weeks was up he had made huge improvements, he was looking so much better but they brought him back to the hospital and they said the only sure way to find out if had an allergy was to give him milk. So they started syringing milk into him in a controlled hospital environment.
Anyway, after about 20ml of milk he had a huge reaction, mouth swelling up, breathing difficulties, it was scary watching it.
So I was just thinking that if you go off something for a while, then when you reintroduce it, your body totally over reacts.
I've noticed it with friends giving up dairy/gluten for diets, if they even touch it they have a huge reaction to it, whereas previously they were tolerating it.

So I'm just wondering, years ago people ate similar food all the time, and now people on diets and new fads all the time, so maybe their bodies are going into shock and over reacting, and storing fat when they go back eating normally.

Sorry for the long winded post. It's good to talk Smile

My mother says everyone is fat because cattle and chickens are being given things to make them grow bigger and faster and that is getting into our systems then. She says some mad stuff though.

RoseQuartzGlow · 01/10/2019 18:57

There are a lot of unnatural things going into the food chain. Beef which is not grass fed, animals fed other animals, growth promoters, hormones, GM grain being fed to animals. Pesticides on our food, food which is forced to grow under glass or plastic out of season and not allowed to ripen naturally. Food transported long distances so there is huge nutrient loss. Depletion of minerals in the soil we grow food in due to intensive farming. This means the food itself is nutrient deficient.
The reason so many people have gluten intolerances is due to the changes in the grain and the way it is grown, it is not digestible any longer and loaded with pesticides.
Don't even get me started on the dairy industry...

shinynewapple · 01/10/2019 19:17

Tatiana your previous post seemed to say there was 'countryside' and 'London' whereas a lot of people (most?) don't live in either.

user1497207191 · 01/10/2019 19:19

I find supermarket fruit and veg is pretty tasteless. I went right off salads etc for a few years. Then on holiday in Spain, I tried a salad and found it delicious, so had another the next day. Came back home and got some salad from the supermarket and had to throw it away - the taste and texture was awful. So I sought out a farm shop that sells local/fresh produce and now back to eating lots of fruit and veg again.

3luckystars · 01/10/2019 19:27

That's amazing.

RoseQuartzGlow · 01/10/2019 20:24

@user1497207191
I find the same thing. Vegetables and fruit in France taste amazing. Likewise in Greece. I eat Greek salad all the time in Greece but in the UK it just tastes of..nothing.

It's the difference between fruit and veg grown in the sun and ripening naturally and the hard, unripe and forced grown stuff we eat here.

MadameForest · 01/10/2019 21:26

I think the previous posts about social pressure to be slim are valid- it appears to be far less acceptable to be overweight in wealthier circles.

Definitely true here in France too, the more educated and wealthy the healthier and thinner the people are. But sport is not just a hobby but a priority for some, alcohol is drunk to be sociable but French women wouldn't drink on their own or open a bottle every night because they feel they deserve a drink. At social events it's is usually always the women who drive.
Most pay attention to what they eat and do sport.
It's easier to rue in France in the countryside, roads not busy, footpaths well maintained and lots of pedestrianised ex railways. When I stay at my parents who live in a Wiltshire village it is a nightmare to run with the windy lanes and lots of traffic.
It's easier to be thin.

ivykaty44 · 01/10/2019 22:01

France has a terrible smoking habit, whereas UK is 2nd lowest in Europe. So although the French maybe slimmer as a nation they aren’t especially healthier

anyoneseenmykeys · 01/10/2019 22:44

pretty sure it is very simplistic to think that other nations are slimmer because they smoke. Some might, but a lot of overweight people here smoke too - and the heaviest smokers/unhealthy people seem to be the biggest. not sure that link works.

ivykaty44 · 02/10/2019 03:58

Who said the French were slimmer due to them smoking?

LoreleiRock · 02/10/2019 04:32

I was once on holiday in Paris and it suddenly struck me I was the fattest person at that particular moment. I am a (large) size 12. 😂. I think we are a nation of fatties, far more than other European countries.

LeGrandBleu · 02/10/2019 06:38

I don't think French women are slimmer because they smoke and I see it as a lame excuse.

We don't eat fried food every single day, be it the chips, the crisps, fried fish or meat, fried bacon , fried eggs, we don't eat in the street or the car. We don't carry food around, don't eat in between meals, or in front of the tv, we eat at a table all together.

I also don't agree with the PP saying that now the variety is bigger. I don't see variety here. People eat the same 10 meals over and over. There is no difference according to the seasons, the same 5 or 6 veggies max during the week (cucumber, lettuce, tomato, broccoli, brussel sprouts), no artichokes, asparagus, fennel, celery, green beans, radicchio, ...very often a meal on a French doesn't have a name, it is a steak, chicken breast, a fish cooked in a pan, with 2 veggies (one cooked, one salad) and maybe some potatoes, not flooded with an artificial sauce, yes the meat will be cooked with a knob of butter, cracked pepper and crystal salt. That's it. We eat soups, salads from the toddler years, the grated carrot salad is a French classic.
When in season we will eat mussels or clams, but also pasta with eggplants, or a tuna sauce.
It doesn't take ages to cook, but then we don't eat at 5 or 6pm, but around 7.30 - 8.
And if we can avoid it, we never have a sandwich at lunch. We will sit in a cafe having the menu du jour. Here people eat sandwich every single day of the year, with artificial cheese, poor quality processed meat, and fake spreadable butter.

I bake quite a lot, a cake will last 3 days, kids have a slice for breakfast and one for afternoon tea. Sometimes if a friend comes over for coffee, I will have one myself so my guest doesn't feel awkward , but usually not. I don't crave cakes or snacks.

It is the whole culture or lack of culture around food that is to blame, from the baby years, not the cigarette.

MarshaBradyo · 02/10/2019 06:46

If you have a good attitude to food you can eat incredibly well in Australia. Good cheese, fish, beef is very good. Eating out is good, great range of cuisines.

Sure might not be the same for everyone but if you want to the food is fresh and good.

SoyDora · 02/10/2019 07:01

Here people eat sandwich every single day of the year, with artificial cheese, poor quality processed meat, and fake spreadable butter

I don’t know anyone who does this.

thatmustbenigelwiththebrie · 02/10/2019 07:03

I'm sorry but I used to live in France. I knew plenty of fat people. They ate processed food, sandwiches and crisps. They are in front of the tv. They went to macdonalds.

So all this virtuous stuff about the French cooking everything from scratch and all sitting round en famille is just not true for everyone, just as it isn't elsewhere.

thatmustbenigelwiththebrie · 02/10/2019 07:05

That's also true re fruit and veg. I always thought I disliked tomatoes. Then I ate one in Italy and it was incredible, like an entirely different food!

SoyDora · 02/10/2019 07:09

I completely agree thatmustbenigelwiththebrie. I’ve lived in France, Spain, Italy and the UK. Some habits are different, some are similar. When I was at uni in Paris most of the students went to McDonald’s every day for their lunch as it was just down the road.
It’s the same with all the talk about how well behaved french/Italian/Spanish children are in comparison to ours. Some are well behaved, some aren’t. Much like here really.