Blisters on lips & in mouth.....bad breath...16m

[SlightlyMadSpider]

Been feverish since Thurs. Today recorded temp of 39.4
Dr at walk in could find no obv cause - probably viral.
Had blisters on tongue, gums and inside of lips since Thurs. Much worse today. Prob 4-6+ blisters.
I had a coldsore about 10-14d ago.
I had an horrific sore throat which started Fri.
Oh and she has horrific bad breath and we are struggling to get anything in her motuh let alone a toothbrush.

So could it be

1. coldsores
   
2. hand foot & mouth w/o the foot & mouth
   
3. Throat infection spread to mouth
   
4. mouth ulcers as a result of being run down cos of virus?

[BreeVanDerCampLGJ]

Can you give a clean wet face flannel to suck on ?

Re the fluids......

My DS 6 was proper poorly last week. When I got home from work he was lying around as though he was about to breath his last( he is bit of a drama queen)

Transpires he had had little or no fluids, litre of OJ watered down and he was off like the way out wacky races. Men {grr]

[SlightlyMadSpider]

Still struggling. Have spoken to GP . He is going to squeeze her in before surgery.

I am not particularly angry that Dp didn't get fluids in. More that he didn't let me know earlier in afternoon so that I coudld ring GP.....or better still so he could ring...

[SueW]

Is it worth trying your dentist too? He/she might be able to help.

I was breastfeeding DD when she got her first cold sore infection. The GP told me to stop. I risked whatever chance there was of the infection passing to my breasts because a) it was the only thing she would take and b) I am one of those people who doesn't seem to be able to get cold sores (my mum had them, my DH gets them, now my DD gets them) so I hoped I had antibodies that would help me and possibly could pass them to DD through breastmilk.

[SlightlyMadSpider]

It is not especially a dental problem.

It is a dehdration problem which is caused by pain which is caused by a virus.

The virus can't be cured and is too late to limit, the pain relief (bonjela) causes my pain initially and then isn't actually great so we have agreed it is probably better not to use it as it was distressing her and the dehydration is what we are left to battle.

GP wanted me to get a minium of 6oz fluid in before bed (he initially wante 10-15oz!!!). So far since 5pm we have managed 1.5oz milk and a yoghurt. She is looking ready to sleep so we certainly aren't going to make the 6oz target.

I have been thru all of our strateies with him and he was impressed at our inventiveness re flannel (which didn't actually work - apprently tap water isn't as good as the bathwater she normally laps up out of hte flannel ). He can suggest no more except persevere.

We are just turning her against us. She won't sit on my lap anymore as she associates that with being forced to drink. She would rather lay on teh floor - even if we take all of the cushions & beanbags away.

I just feel so physically sick at the distress we are actually causing her just trying to get fluids in. She used to be a placid little baby who wasn't bothered by so much as a jab .

[PrettyCandles]

I wonder, would she like an ice-lolly? Home-made for preference, but even shop-bought would be something.

[SlightlyMadSpider]

I was worried that am ice lolly might be too cold and stick to her tongue.

I am in shock though. She has just have 2 1/2oz milk - most of which she fed herself. It is not necessarily a great amount but it was much easier than it has been for the last 3 days....

[BreeVanDerCampLGJ]

Poor baba girl....

[PrettyCandles]

Oh that's good after the last few days. I guess the sores in her mouth may have been aggravated by the suction. My dd was a bit like that when teething hard - coudln't bear to suck for long.

[PellMell]

how is your little one today? I have been thinking about her.
Hope she's on the mend.

[SlightlyMadSpider]

Still teh same. I wasn't going to post as there are others he need more luck and thoughts today and this seems so trivial.

She is taking the fluids more enthusiasticly - but isn't actually taking any greater volume. At least we are not fighting with her. When I added up what she had yesterday it wasn't so bad as I thought it would be - 9-11oz ish + 2 yoghurts.

Her temp is not has high this morning and her mouth isn't as inflammed - the lesions just need to heal and then we need to win the psyhcological battle.

Have been to see GP again - he is being really tolerant of me . Still the same. Still looks reasonably well hydrated - which made me feel better. Then he checked 2 medical dictionaries and calculated that the minimum fluid intake should be 20oz+ (he doubled checked it as it was so much more than she was having). That worried him a little and he reconsidered IV fluids on that basis but in the end said they would look at her, say she looks fine and we would sit on a ward for 6hrs whilst they monitored what she was taking orally - which we agreed we could do at home.

Still very , but I don't feel quite as bad today. Thanks for asking.

[PellMell]

I'm glad to hear that she is stable and not getting worse.It's looking up isn't it.

[SlightlyMadSpider]

This afternoon she has been back to her cheeky self. She has been up and about and emptying the kitchen cupboards (normal behaviour). Then she tried to climb in hte cupboard on the carosel (which she has never done before). I think she has been laying on the floor all week plotting and polanning new tricks!!!

This is such a contrast to teh last few days where she has struggled to get teh motivation to move from one beanbag in the middle of the floor to another.

Getting the fluids in is still a struggle volume wise - but we aren't fighting any more. Her mouth looks much much better. The sores are still present - but they are looking a lot less inflammed. Only time can heal them fully. She has had a bar of chocolate today - which she seemed to find uncomfortable but tolerated it as it was chocolate.

All in all I feel much happier today. DD3 is happier & more content & Peter ahas a new heart. [s mile]

[SlightlyMadSpider]

Oh and her halitosis is improving too thank good

[hunkermunker]

I'm really glad she's on the mend, SMS!

[SlightlyMadSpider]

So am I. I really thought I was going to have her on IVs.

[hunkermunker]

Toddlers are made of rubber, I think - she'll bounce back so quickly it'll be unbelievable, I bet!

[FlameBatfink]

Did the doc not give acyclovir?!?!!?

I had this with DS at the beginning of the year - it was terrible The little man wouldn't let anything near his mouth. I was dribbling in water with a 1ml syringe - the doctor thinks he has some great hydration thing going on, he couldn't work out how he wasn't dehydrated and needing a drip.

I'm so sorry I didn't spot this thread when it started, would have stayed by your side (online) through it.

Be prepared though - DS gets a coldsore or two a week after every illness now Never as bad as that first time though thankfully

[SlightlyMadSpider]

Don't worry Flamey. I have to say though that I felt awful and a fraud for cancelling DTDs playdate "because DD3 has a coldsore". I can't believe how poorly she has been with something usually so innocuous.

She was diagnosed too late for acyclovir.

The Dr I saw at walk-in in early stages (admittedly went worried about temp more than mouth at this stage) thought she was suffering a 'cold type virus' which was untreatable and that the sores were just normal mouth sores caused by being run down.

By the time I saw GP on Monday she was more than 3 days post initial sores (Thurs/Fri) so didn't think they would be effective. In any case current guidlines (which I saw in black and white) are that acyclovir is only given if it is serious enough for hospital admission. He did say though if he had seen her Sat/Sun he would have given them as she was so bad.

Still she is looking up now. We just need to get more food & fluids into her.

And Hunker - you are right about teh rubber ball. This morning she was flaked out as she has been since Sat/Sun. Had a lunchtime nap, went to Tescos, came back and she wasn't teh same person that went to sleep at lunchtime. It was an amazing contrast.

[FlameBatfink]

I'm quite glad I didn't have that information to hand at the time tbh

He had had the very high temp, I put it down to a virus and teeth (clawing his mouth) - I opened his mouth to give calpol and his tongue was all blistered. I drove straight to the doctor, and it was the lunchtime... so I shrieked at them about my baby, and sobbed a bit - someone saw me . Lovely lovely man gave the meds, and I kept going back to make sure his hydration was ok.

He was taking trickles of fluid, very occasional minute long breastfeeds (which I think was what carried him through), and just kept sobbing and sleeping.

It was a few days of hell, but yup - they bounce

[SlightlyMadSpider]

Maybe the problem was I didn't think the blisters were as important as they were at first.

She has had period blisters on hte end of her tongue since she was little - so I kind of ignored it at first. Also within a couple of days of her temp rising myself and her grandfather (who we were on holiday with at teh time) both had a really sore throat so thought the temperature was a throat nfection/cold like we had.

[FlameBatfink]

I've just found my threads from it (and ended up in tears reading them). I think it is where DS was that much younger (not quite 11 months), breastfeeding, and he had had a high temp with a cold for a few days that would normally have dropped by then - everything combined made me run to the doc with the blisters.

It was so horrible to watch him going through, you must be exhausted

[SlightlyMadSpider]

Yup...I was going to be at 9:30 last night to catch up, but sat her until 1:30 waiting for news on Peters heart. Am going to bed within the next 7 mins onight though for deffo

[PrettyCandles]

Isn't it wonderful when the temperature drops and their personalities return to normal? So glad that she's well on the way to recovery at last.

You're going to have a right little madam on your hands for a while now that she's used to lots of attention!

[SlightlyMadSpider]

Flamey - have just been looking at your threads. Kind of wish I had seen them earlier but was too flustered and stressed that I didn't hink to check archives . I could have written most of your posts.

Can I ask did your DS have really bad breath with it?

I was initially worried that teh bad breath was a opportunistic bacterial infection at one of the lesions. Dr says no though.

[FlameBatfink]

I don't remember bad breath, but tbh I wasn't really thinking about it. We didn't have any like you describe on her gums though and they do sound infection-like to me

I clicked as soon as I saw the title because I was sure it would be the same thing