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For anyone interested in thimerosil in vaccinations

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Jimjams · 18/09/2004 22:04

This article is a bit journalistic in style (you'll see what I mean), but is well referenced (so statements can be checked) and is interesting reading.

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Jimjams · 18/09/2004 22:15

The article's long - but here's an interesting snippet.

"In addition, on page 198, Dr. Rapin notes that a study in California found a 300X increase in autism following the introduction of certain vaccines. She quickly attributes this to better physician recognition. Two things are critical to note at this point. She makes this assertion or better physician recognition without any data at all, just her wishful thinking. If someone pointing out the dangers of vaccines were to do that, she would scream "junk science."

Second, Dr. Weil on page 207, attacks this reasoning when he says, "the number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant." In other words, how can you argue with results that show a strong dose/response relationship between the dose of mercury and neurodevelopmental outcomes? The higher the mercury levels in the children the greater the number of neurological problems.

He continues by saying that the increase in neurobehavioral problems is probably real. He tells them that he works in a school system with special education programs and "I have to say the number of kids getting help in special education is growing nationally and state by state at a rate not seen before. So there is some kind of increase. We can argue about what it is due to." (page 207)

Dr. Johnson seems to be impressed by the findings as well. He says on page 199, "This association leads me to favor a recommendation that infants up to two years old not be immunized with thimerosal containing vaccines if suitable alternative preparations are available." In credibly, he quickly adds "I do not believe the diagnosis justified compensation in the Vaccine Compensation Program at this point." It is interesting to note that one of our experts in attendance is Dr. Vito Caserta, the Chief Officer for the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.

At this point Dr. Johnson tells the group of his concerns for his own grandchild. He says, (page 200) "Forgive this personal comment, but I got called out at eight o'clock for an emergency call and my daughter-in-law delivered a son by c-section. Our first male in the line of the next generation and I do not want that grandson to get a Thimerosal containing vaccine until we know better what is going on. It will probably take a long time. In the meantime, and I know there are probably implications for this internationally, but in the meanwhile I think I want that grandson to only be given Thimerosal-free vaccines."

So, we have a scientist sitting on this panel which will eventually make policy concerning all of the children in this country, as well as other countries, who is terrified about his new grandson getting a thimerosal-containing vaccine but he is not concerned enough about your child to speak out and try to stop this insanity. He allows a cover-up to take place after this meeting adjourns and remains silent.

It is also interesting to note that he feels the answers will be a long time coming, but in the mean time, his grandson will be protected. The American Academy of Pediatrics, The American Academy of Family Practice, the AMA, CDC and every other organization will endorse these vaccines and proclaim them to be safe as spring water, but Dr, Johnson and some of the others will keep their silence."

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Angeliz · 18/09/2004 22:30

Jimjams, am finding the article fascinating!
Will read it again tomorrow, (as i've got halfway down and am too tired to cencentrate).
I do remember the woman from JABS saying that although the new 5 in 1 doesn't have mercury it does have aluminum 9sp0 and am finding that scary reading!!!!

Jimjams · 18/09/2004 22:32

Also I read an article saying that the 5 in 1 does have traces of thimerosil in (as it is removed rather than never added iyswim). Haven't checked the validity of that though so may not be the case.

I know what you mean- I got to the bottom but will have to print off and re-read I think. Also I want to follow up on some of the references- greir's (spelling?) are always have something intersting to say.

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Angeliz · 18/09/2004 22:34

I've saved it to my favourites for tomorrow and will show dp too.

Night+

Jimjams · 19/09/2004 08:20

an interesting comment on page 8 'recent studies have shown that glutamate accumulates in the brains of autistic children'.

Now the Colombia mouse paper (if you take mice prone to autoimmunity and give them thimerosil they become "autistic') also showed structural changes in the glutamate receptors in the brain.

And what can't ds1 have? MSG, yeast extract and gelatine because of the glutamate.

Unfortunately the references are all given in a heap at the end so will have to plough through them all.

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Jimjams · 19/09/2004 08:21

an interesting comment on page 8 'recent studies have shown that glutamate accumulates in the brains of autistic children'.

Now the Colombia mouse paper (if you take mice prone to autoimmunity and give them thimerosil they become "autistic') also showed structural changes in the glutamate receptors in the brain.

And what can't ds1 have? MSG, yeast extract and gelatine because of the glutamate.

Unfortunately the references are all given in a heap at the end so will have to plough through them all.

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Jimjams · 19/09/2004 08:22

ah the guy who wrote the article is a neurosurgeon- I may email him......

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