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Gallbladder Removal 2019 - support thread

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UserThenLotsOfNumbers · 31/12/2018 10:39

Who is or is likely to have their gallbladder removed this year?

There seem to be a lot of threads on the topic (I've read most of them lol) so thought it would be a good idea to start a support thread for people for people having the op soon?

My story:

I'm 35, married with one daughter. I'm about half a stone overweight but reasonably fit. I work full time, husband is SAHP.

Comfort ate and ate irregularly after having my daughter and I have had issues with overeating, which I've now mostly conquered. I also have ulcerative colitis which is being controlled successfully with medication.
I was diagnosed with gallstones in Feb 2018. At the time, I had 2 large ones, 1 and 1.1cm respectively. Could be more by now!

Had been having symptoms for about 6 months before that. It started some time after my daughter was born. She's now 2.2. 12 years ago I had v similar symptoms which ended in a terrible night of pain then nothing for years until 2017. On reflection I wonder if I passed a small gallstone?

So after a year of dithering and fear, plus waiting to get over a colitis flare up earlier this year, I'm now having the op on 18th Jan.

My symptoms started as a dull ache upper right side, feeling sick and occasional vomiting. Now I get back ache, wake up with sore back, twinges, soreness, some acid indigestion. I don't (frantically touch wood) have the terrible colic. But I have some symptoms most days and I feel overall it's getting worse. I want to be well again.

I sometimes feel my gallbladder is swollen, especially at night. I do panic about it.

I've read all the post op horror stories, and all about the post op conditions, although I know that's comparatively unusual. Of course the op is sold as being easy and problem free - I don't believe that's the case! Most common outcome seems to be people are mostly fine unless they have something very fatty or take codeine. Ok, can live with that (hopefully).

What's your story? What are your concerns?

My fears are having digestive issues and pain after the operation, also am apparently being discharged with paracetamol! That doesn't even cure a headache for me! I was on oromorph for 3 days after having my c section, although I know that's not really comparable.

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ConradKnightSocks · 20/09/2019 08:11

Thanks everyone. Am in the hospital now just waiting for a nurse to arrive and I expect I will have to put on my fetching gown and paper knickers!

Feeling anxious and quite tearful, trying to be brave but think I'm just being pathetic really. Saying goodbye to the children was hard.

Have just meet the anaesthetist who was nice, told me not to be worried and that he will take good care of me. Apparently I'm due to go down around 9.30, so not too bad.

Well, I'll sign off now and report back from the other side!

Amilla99 · 20/09/2019 11:08

Thank you for your kind words - I've just had my paper work through for the 8th. It's at the partner hospital to the one I was scheduled for. I'm slightly shocked to see that my letter says I need to bring money/credit card as I will be charged the standard NHS prescription charge for any medication dispensed to me. Can I ask what drugs you were sent home with? I don't work and money is tight but don't qualify for free prescriptions. I'm now worrying how much it's going to cost 😬

Thegallofher · 20/09/2019 11:16

Sorry amilla can’t help on prescription front as we get ours free in Scotland. Was completely unaware that you would be charged for standard painkillers they send you home with - is that right?? Your op is on the NHS isn’t it? ( forgive me if I’ve misunderstood!)

Loadedforbear · 20/09/2019 17:37

@Amilla99 I’m rather surprised at that! I’ve been sent home with Oramorph (liquid morphine) codeine, mega ibuprofens, paracetamol and more sexy anti embolism stockings, I got away without the blood thinning injections! I pay for mine ordinarily from the GP but have never been charged from a hospital dispensary. Might be worth looking at a pre payment card which is a set cost for as many items as you need. I think it’s about £30 for 3 months which is the minimum but if each item costs £9 then it might add up for you to do it that way. The pharmacy should be able to help or you can do it online.

ConradKnightSocks · 20/09/2019 17:47

I made it through to the other side! Another gallbladder bites the dust! I'm doing ok, bit uncomfortable but that's to be expected. Got a bit of shoulder pain too.

I went down at around 11 in the end and was back in my room by 1.30. I've been feeling a bit woozy and my blood pressure dropped drastically when they got me to stand earlier and I nearly fainted! A bit of food and drink (ate some cheese sandwich - the first cheese I have eaten for over a year!) has made me feel like a new woman though and I've been for my first wee with no problems.

They've given me my stones in a pot, there are 35 medium sized ones. They look like driveway gravel or something! No wonder I was in pain all the time, looks like it was jam packed.

The theatre x-ray machine wasn't working so they've not been able to check the bile duct for stones. The surgeon said he's 99% sure it will be fine but if I go yellow then it means there are some in there! Not massively reassuring...

I've just been told I can get dressed now and get my gown off! No paper knickers in the end for me, I was able to just wear my own.

Think we'll be heading home in the next couple of hours, I'm feeling pretty much myself now just a bit tender. Can't wait to see the children!

Glad you are home now @Loadedforbear, must be lovely to be able to get comfy at home.

Hope you are doing ok today @Thegallofher and still recovering well, are you finding each day a little better?

ConradKnightSocks · 20/09/2019 17:53

Forgot to say I've had no pain relief except paracetamol and ibuprofen, they wouldn't give me anything else because of the breastfeeding but I feel not too bad. A bit more pain relief would be nice but it's manageable. She mentioned offering me oramorph but decided not to give it to me.

They did a local anaesthetic in theatre but the two wounds on my right side are painful and where most of my pain is coming from. Feels like a stinging feeling. Nurse said sometimes the local doesn't hit the right nerves so areas can be left out.

Amilla99 · 20/09/2019 18:15

So glad to see it’s gone well @ConradKnightSocks and it’s now over (we’ll the main part - I know you’ve still got to recover!) How was the anaesthetic? Would you say the worry if it all has been worse than actually having it done? I’m jealous that you've got your stones in a pot. I’ve asked but was told no for infection control reasons!! Gutted as my whole family have theirs lol!

@Thegallofher yes it’s NHS. I’ve been told that it’s because it’s the actual Day Surgery unit that I’m having surgery in as opposed to the main operating theatres. I used to work fir this particular hospital Trust and my husband still does so it’s comforting to know he will literally be just down the corridor at his desk when I have surgery.

@Loadedforbear I am going to check with PALs regarding it as feel a bit miffed considering they cancelled me. Money is incredibly tight so I really will have to pass on any take home medication if I have to pay for it :(

ConradKnightSocks · 20/09/2019 18:55

I've been discharged! Will be on the way home shortly!

@Amilla99 thanks for your kind words. I would say, hand on heart, that the worry was definitely the worst bit. I'm not going to lie, I was a bit of a state when I went into the anaesthetic room and had to get onto the trolley. The nurses were trying to calm me down because my heart rate was so high! I was blubbing a bit and shaking! Just letting you know all this so you know how worried I was. They had a bit of trouble finding a vein for the cannula and both hands were fiddled around with but it wasn't too bad. Then the anaesthetist said "and this is the gin and tonic...". I had my eyes shut already because it was making me anxious seeing people stood over me and the bright lights etc. I was thinking happy thoughts! Then my arms started to feel really heavy and then I felt really heavy through my back and that was it. I don't think I really felt the coldness going up my arm and didn't have to count down or anything. Then when I was woken up, I felt like I was being woken from the middle of a deep, dreaming sleep. I think I was dreaming in fact, nothing psychedelic just at home with the kids. I have my stones in a pot but not sure I'm going to be able to take them home think they said they incinerate them!

Sorry for the long post but like Thegallofher I am a details person! Hope it has been a little bit reassuring for you Amilla, you can see I was a total state before but survived and can honestly say it wasn't as bad as I was worried it would be. Smile

Thegallofher · 20/09/2019 19:31

Well done Conrad glad you’re out the other side! I like the ‘gin and tonic’ line from the nurse - they do try their best to make it less scary don’t they? I’m jealous that you got to see your stones. I have no idea how many, how big etc.. and I’m so curious to know. I phoned the unit today and apparently my GP will get a short report from the surgeon in a few weeks that I can ask to see. I’m curious to know how hard a job it was to get my gallbladder out my belly button because the nurse said they ‘struggled’. I’m wondering why that was - was it full to bursting with stones? Was it inflamed? Did I have adhesions from my C-section causing problems?

I’m trying to ease off on the cocodamol now. Just had some this morning and just now. Going to ease off ibuprofen too as they are not a good idea to take with my blood pressure medication apparently. Paracetamol should be fine but we’ll see. I’m 3 days post op now. My tummy area is not too sore but I’m quite swollen aroundthe belly button and TMI haven’t had a bowel movement yet. Mainly been eating toast, scrambled eggs, toast, bagels etc...

I also haven’t taken off the dressings they put in just before I was discharged. Will shower tonight and have a look - not looking forward to that!

Good luck with your recovery. Glad you enjoyed your cheese sandwich Smile

ConradKnightSocks · 20/09/2019 20:34

Thanks gallofher, am home now and in bed. About to have a bit more toast (with a bit of butter on, no more dry toast for me! Hurrah!) and maybe some soup, am absolutely starving!

I think most anaesthetists have their 'patter', they probably use the same lines over and over on everybody! Like you say, they definitely try their best to make it less scary. For them it's routine and they do it all the time, think he was a little bit bemused at my fear!

What a shame you didn't get to see the stones, I wasn't expecting to so it was a 'nice' surprise. It's good to see the little buggers that have been the cause of so much pain, I was surprised there were so many. They're off to be incinerated now though, I had to leave them there but we have lots of photos of them for posterity!

Hope you get an answer about why they had a hard time getting your gallbladder out. Might be a case of a little of 'all of the above' as to why they struggled. It sounds like you are recovering really well, I'm sure the bowels will start moving again soon. They've been through a bit of a shock to the system plus the co-codamol might be contributing? Maybe lots of fruit? A bit of prune juice? Horrible but I have found it effective in the past. Enjoy your shower tomorrow, will feel like bliss I expect!

Feel I am babbling a lot today in person and on here (as evidenced by my epic posts!). Maybe still a bit high from the anaesthetic? Also a bit of that high that you spoke about gall, so happy I survived! Apparently the first words I said to my husband when they wheeled me back in were "I'm alive!".

Thanks everyone for the good wishes, here's to as comfortable a night as possible for all of us post-eviction recoverers.

Notquiteagandt · 20/09/2019 21:23

@ConradKnightSocks hope they where good about you bf as I know thats what you where stressing about. Heres to a pain free good nights sleep for you.

PiFacey · 21/09/2019 01:09

I’m completely new to this thread but read all the messages in a mad 2 hrs a couple of days before my surgery (which was 4 weeks ago) - all the messages were so useful, so I thought I’d add my gallbladder hell/story in case it helps someone else.

I’m in my early 50’s, obese and had first gallbladder attack in 2016 - thought it was a heart attack, so much pain.....lasted an hour; gp diagnosed ulcers but the antacid didn’t help so self diagnosed gallstones and asked for ultrasound which confirmed. For next 4 months got progressively worse culminating in nightly 4 hr pain sessions at gallbladder and shoulder blade, projectile vomiting, black pee (and the rest). I was terrified to eat and existed on ginger tea, water and soup for months - lost so much weight and no food stopped the attacks. I was a perfect weight for surgery but waiting list for surgery in Scotland is long and I started to eat more food and started having attacks again every couple of weeks - severe pain and vomiting. I put off surgery for ages due to fear and desire to lose weight again but eventually surgeon forced my hand and booked me in - I was absolutely terrified as I was identified as high risk due to epilepsy and weight. Had never had a GA before.

Into hospital for 7am day of surgery - went in myself so life could continue as close to normal for kids - didn’t know if I’d be out on the day but was 2nd on list. I was in an amazing zen like state all morning h amazingly), not scared. I was called about 11.30 - surgery nurses came round and walked me into theatre......got a bit nervous but everyone’s great, they get on with it and chat away. Woke up in recovery with oxygen and painkillers (that wasn’t very nice for me and I really felt my age!) after 3 hrs was allowed home with partner. I was very spaced out, straight to bed and didn’t move much for 3 days. I had 7 incisions - 5 along the bra line, one bigger one with 5 stitches in the middle......my gallbladder was very enlarged, attached a bit to liver (?!) so surgery was a bit more complicated than expected. Used cocodamol and ibuprofen for first 4 nights, could only sleep sitting up. VERY constipated. Stitches out after 6 days, all healed well apart from biggest incision which opened and was infected so that will scar more once healed. I was really breathless once I started getting up and about, blood tests showed indicators for blood clot so straight to hospital and after a full day all tests/CT scan came back clear so was told it’s likely I wasn’t breathing deeply enough post anaesthetic and lungs weren’t expanding. I have had a very upset stomach and diarrhoea for past 2 weeks, nothing obvious is causing it.

My learnings - get the surgery as soon as you can, I wish I hadn’t put it off, can’t believe the pain I put up with and also made my surgery more complex; be careful post surgery that you don’t do too much, I did and opened my wound; I was really breathless for a couple of weeks post surgery, I recommend using a mindfulness app a couple of times daily so you expand your lungs post anaesthetic. Don’t feel pressurised to go back to work too early - I was wiped out after I started going out and about and took 4 weeks off work knowing there’d be no relief once I went back. Sorry it’s so long but hopefully it’s helpful - thanks to everyone else on the thread especially @UserThenLotsOfNumbers

Thegallofher · 21/09/2019 09:50

Thanks pifacey. Sounds like you had a gruelling time there. The fact you had 7 incisions and your wound reopened means you’ve gone through the mill big time and the blood clot scare?! Really feel for you!

Thanks for joining the thread as I think we all benefit from hearing each other’s experiences whether good or bad. The tip about breathing is useful. I’m 4 days post op and am feeling quite stiff and have spent most of my time in bed or on the couch. Got quite a bit of swelling above my belly button that’s tender - keeping my eye on that and hoping it’s just the bruising from them struggling to get the gallbladder out.

I’ve also decided to stop the Cocodamol today as I’m feeling blocked and also am paranoid about getting addicted to it. Hopefully your diarrhoea will ease off. Are you eating well now?

Thanks again for sharing and hope you continue to heal.

PiFacey · 21/09/2019 17:49

I’m eating fine now @Thegallofher........though not brave enough for cheese yet! Take it easy - you’re at the point where I started to move about and empty dishwashers and stuff........was during the bending up and down that the incision came apart. I was really tender and bruised under the big incision and I’m assuming that’s where they took mine out. Know what you mean about the cocodamol, though the first couple of days went by in bliss, sitting in bed, windows open, sunny weather, drugged up to my eyeballs 🤪

Loadedforbear · 22/09/2019 09:07

Hi chaps, wow all you recent evictees seem to have bounced back way quicker than me. The additional bile duct exploration deffo seems to have been an extra kick in the gut to recover from, more than I was expecting I think.

I finally got round to writing up my experience for anyone interested who can stay awake long enough. It got quite long! Here goes:

An early start to be in hospital for 7.30am Monday morning, nothing like seizing the week! Check in and a volley of folk come by with pre op stuff. Once they’re done I duly donn the beaut stockings and gown but, small consolations, am allowed to keep my pants on. From there we’re off and I get walked up to theatre and handed over to the surgical team. She’s taken my trainers... no escaping now! I’m stop checked outside theatre on a trolley for some advisory about the camera they are going to use being off license for going up bile ducts, whatevs, and name checked for the billionth time. There’s some disagreement that I’m now ‘on wheels’ so I get taken back off the trolley and walked in to theatre to be greeted by everyone who I’d met downstairs. It is all very cheery as well as a bit surreal to climb onto the operating table and offer myself up. I lie there like a casual observer as they fit wedges either side of me, adjust my pony tail, mess up one cannula and fit a second.

Within minutes there’s the feeling of a good couple of gin and tonics knocking round my system, my head feels warm and fuzzy and they suggest I might like to hold the oxygen mask over my face. Seconds later I’m out of it!

Next thing I know I’m coming too in recovery, it smarts a bit and I seem to have the shakes. I’m very groggy and shortly after on the move and wheeled to a private room on a ward. It’s probably about 1.30pm? Ahh peace and quiet!

I just. want. to. lie. as. still. as. possible. It’s like a reeally bad hangover. But the nurses are in and out, ‘drink water, take obs, order dinner, get up to pee’. One of my drains from surgery is leaking and I’m lying in a pool of manky fluid. I’m cajoled upright which feels terrible and I still can’t pee. Great. This (aside from not vomiting) becomes the singular goal as they threaten the C word. Catheter. Nurses are part sadomasochists and part superhero, fact. I have a tentative few mouthfuls of dinner and sip my way through as much water and peppermint tea as I can.

It slowly gets better. In the middle of the night I win the first point against the pee monster and by morning feel vaguely human. Later that day the drains are put into stoma bags, which is one less thing to manage on my wobbly journeys and also stops me looking like a fresh stab victim.

I’m gaining more confidence on my feet and move to a bay ward. It still hurts quite a bit, everywhere is tender but drain pain is the proper killer, hurrah for liquid morphine! I’m very sleepy. Tuesday passes into Wednesday and they’re happy to take one of the drains out. A bit of a toe curling experience but it improves things slightly. Drain B is deeper though and my abs keep involuntarily contracting around it which is excruciating. Curse you yoga practice! I’m having a sneak preview of what it feels like to be 90 I think.

Apparently my bile duct was crammer with stones and there was more trouble waiting in the gallbladder so a good job done. For the first time in the last two years I’m not crazily itchy either. I think this has been brewing a while?

Even still, by Thursday morning I’m desperate; I beg the consultant to let me have the drain out. Luckily there’s no sign of a bile leak and the amount of fluid is reducing nicely. He agrees! Within 2 hours it’s out (oh my was it in deep), but I have waterproof dressings so I can get a shower for the first time post op and I’m on the release list. Much jubilation as I’m suddenly aware I smell gross. Clean and dressed I feel like a (very fragile) new person!

So I came home very gingerly on Thursday afternoon (to lovely doggy cuddles) and have had some very quiet days since. I’m mainly coping on paracetamol and ibuprofen but have had to top up a bit with the morphine and codeine, usually in the late afternoon/early evening is when it gets me. I’ve never slept more in my life but I guess it’s good for healing.

My appetite has been slow to come back. I’ve had bouts of nausea and been craving plain dinners, lots of fresh fruit and veg and really not interested in anything rich. I don’t even want cake! Friday’s milestone was, TMI, my first poo. Glad everything seems to be working fine in the digestion department, albeit gurglier than a gurgly thing. Anyone else?

The next biggie will be changing the dressings and having a proper investigation of the damage. My tummy button wound is already dry so been left uncovered since Wednesday. The two drain wounds on my right hand side are sore, they pull when I walk and have big dressing pads on yet and I have another sore spot between my boobs which is under wraps. I’m not very cool with gore, especially to myself!

Things I learned?

Coughing hurts, hold your tummy for damage limitation and have water nearby to drown it as much as possible.

Laughing hurts more. (I made myself cry a couple of times 😭 ) perfect your poker face and keep those who think it’s funny close so you can grip their hand with equal vigour to pass on some of the discomfort. Hope that good karma gets them back.

My phone has been a godsend. I usually love to read but this week I pick up a book, read the same time paragraph 5 times and put it down. I’ve loved gentle Spotify playlists, light podcasts and Radio 4 programmes on the BBC sounds app.

You know you look bad when face recognition on your iPhone stops working. Sob.

Soft bra-let underwear and comfy waistband joggers are a must.

I’ve been doing led relaxation meditations that have really helped me keep calm and breathe - especially before bed and when pain steals it.

Overall I’m massively grateful to get such first rate care in our amazing NHS and equally lucky to be heading home ‘fixed’ while lots of people struggle with ongoing health problems. There’s a way to go yet but I’m deffo on the mend.

Loadedforbear · 22/09/2019 09:31

Well done @ConradKnightSocks and @Thegallofher for gaining your evictee stripes. Glad things are improving for you too.

Hi @PiFacey welcome to our dubious club! Some fab tips. I’d second the vote for led relaxation and breathings. Great for healing. Sorry to hear about your wound troubles and blood clot worries, sounds really nasty.

Something else I’ve used is essential oils. Carrot seed, Neroli and Grapefruit to promote healing, reduce swelling, ease digestion and for antibacterial and relaxing properties. Makes everything smell good anyway!

@Amilla99 i get that its expensive 🙁 if you have to make a choice on the drugs you’re offered can you stock up on unbranded paracetamol and Ibuprofen now so you don’t have to get it on prescription and take one of the big guns home from hospital like the codeine or morphine? I hope you do get sorted as being in pain isn’t fun.

UserThenLotsOfNumbers · 22/09/2019 14:02

Get well soon everyone! ThanksThanksThanks

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Thegallofher · 23/09/2019 12:43

Hello gang! How are we all? I want to ask a question about your healing. My dressings are off but thin criss-crossed adhesive strips remain on each wound. I’m not sure whether I leave these on until they drop off - I’m definitely not inclined to peel them off at the moment! Will ask a nurse at my surgery in the coming week. Sorry if this is a bit TMI but here goes...

The three non-belly button wounds are tiny little slits that have nice small scabs over them. But bloody hell the belly button site looks like something out of a horror movie! I’m into 6 days post op and I have an area of deep purple and banana-yellow bruising radiating out from the button (mine was always an inny!) that’s the size of a very large fist! I was warned it would be bruised and they weren’t wrong! In the middle where the incision is, is obviously a scab that is partially covered by the criss cross strips. It actually reminds me of my babies when they had the umbilical cord cut and they were left with a bit of a stump that looked a bit ‘fresh’ for a few days but then dropped off (with the help of a bit of silver nitrate in one case) Obviously there’s nothing sticking out as as such but it does kind of bring it home where they’ve actually removed my gallbladder from - belly button makes it sound a bit twee!!

My pain is well down on the scale and I’m just taking ibuprofen and paracetamol 2 or 3 times a day. There’s kind of a muscular ache all over but also a bit of a stingy/burny sensation above my belly button. I’ve had no ooze which I’m very grateful for and my bowels are working nicely. I’m still bloody drained though and haven’t done more than go out in the garden with a cup of tea. Going to venture out for a short walk with a mate this afternoon, see how that goes. Would be interested to know how this compares to other post op gall-bladderers!

UserThenLotsOfNumbers · 23/09/2019 17:58

All sounds normal thegallofher, do not remove the strips!

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Thegallofher · 23/09/2019 18:45

Thanks User I won’t touch my strips!!

Ginfizplease · 23/09/2019 19:04

Thanks everyone for keeping posting. Its helping me know

Ginfizplease · 23/09/2019 19:05

... what to expect.

In less than 48 hours it'll be me!

When did you all start to drive?

Milicentbystander72 · 23/09/2019 19:13

Can I join the thread? I've been reading it lots.

I'm currently waiting for an Ultrasound on my upper abdomen (October 4th).

I'm 47. During my last pregnancy over 12 years ago I was very poorly with an abnormal liver function, on going diarrhoea. During investigations while heavily pg they found hundreds of small gallstones on an ultrasound. They said it wasn't the cause of my liver problems and they would leave the gallstones there until they caused me problems.

I had my baby and recovered gradually. I forgot about the gallstones.

However last month I started feeling poorly with indigestion-type pains. I had 'loose' stools too (not really diarrhoea though). Then about 10 days ago after lunch I had the most incredible pains in chest and upper abdomen and fanning out between my shoulder blades. My arms went tingly and my skin sweaty and cold. I called an Ambulance. The pain eased after about 20 mins. Luckily the ECG tests were clear,
I went to the GP the next day who took another ECG test (clear) and a load of blood tests. All blood tests were clear.
I'm still feeling indigestion-like symptoms, mild pains in my back and sides. I also feel I have a 'bloating' under my ribs on the right side. I also have lots of heartburn.

So hear I am waiting for a scan. I'm trying not to freak out too much. My Dad died of bowel cancer a few years ago and I can't help convince myself this is the same thing.

In all your experiences, does this sound like an inflamed gallbladder, maybe pancreatitis? I'm trying to keep calm. I'm annoying myself that I never followed up the gallstones I saw on a scan all those years ago.

Hollingsworth40 · 23/09/2019 19:26

Milicentbystander72

I have similar symptoms to you pain in right side bloating. I have surgery on 8th October, initially a blood test didn’t pick up, only the scan, mines 3.5cm in size. I don’t get indigestion though. I also suffer with constipation when googled it is a symptom in some cases. I get pain in my back and ribs too not alarming pain but enough I be uncomfortable. Hopefully my op will give some relief.

Milicentbystander72 · 23/09/2019 20:25

Thanks for the reply Hollingsworth40. I guess everyone's symptoms are slightly different but am slightly relieved to hear you had similar abdominal pains.

I just feel uncomfortable a lot of the time although I haven't had the severe chest pain again since. I just really hope I get an answer soon and hopefully a course of action. Im scared they'll just send me away again and do nothing. It's miserable.