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Gallbladder Removal 2019 - support thread

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UserThenLotsOfNumbers · 31/12/2018 10:39

Who is or is likely to have their gallbladder removed this year?

There seem to be a lot of threads on the topic (I've read most of them lol) so thought it would be a good idea to start a support thread for people for people having the op soon?

My story:

I'm 35, married with one daughter. I'm about half a stone overweight but reasonably fit. I work full time, husband is SAHP.

Comfort ate and ate irregularly after having my daughter and I have had issues with overeating, which I've now mostly conquered. I also have ulcerative colitis which is being controlled successfully with medication.
I was diagnosed with gallstones in Feb 2018. At the time, I had 2 large ones, 1 and 1.1cm respectively. Could be more by now!

Had been having symptoms for about 6 months before that. It started some time after my daughter was born. She's now 2.2. 12 years ago I had v similar symptoms which ended in a terrible night of pain then nothing for years until 2017. On reflection I wonder if I passed a small gallstone?

So after a year of dithering and fear, plus waiting to get over a colitis flare up earlier this year, I'm now having the op on 18th Jan.

My symptoms started as a dull ache upper right side, feeling sick and occasional vomiting. Now I get back ache, wake up with sore back, twinges, soreness, some acid indigestion. I don't (frantically touch wood) have the terrible colic. But I have some symptoms most days and I feel overall it's getting worse. I want to be well again.

I sometimes feel my gallbladder is swollen, especially at night. I do panic about it.

I've read all the post op horror stories, and all about the post op conditions, although I know that's comparatively unusual. Of course the op is sold as being easy and problem free - I don't believe that's the case! Most common outcome seems to be people are mostly fine unless they have something very fatty or take codeine. Ok, can live with that (hopefully).

What's your story? What are your concerns?

My fears are having digestive issues and pain after the operation, also am apparently being discharged with paracetamol! That doesn't even cure a headache for me! I was on oromorph for 3 days after having my c section, although I know that's not really comparable.

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UserThenLotsOfNumbers · 02/03/2019 21:53

Sorry I'm not sure why the angry face appeared. I have fat fingers lol

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notapizzaeater · 02/03/2019 23:04

Rant away ....

NancyWho · 03/03/2019 00:41

Ok I'll try to be as succinct as possible but this is long and the relevance of the detail should be clear later.

Jan '18 am admitted to hospital with dehydration, severe D&V, pain etc.
During this stay I was given an abdo scan, I was heavily drugged but DH was present during the scan, scanning Dr says gallbladder is distended and she can see unexpected objects in gallbladder but can't get enough of a read on them to say for sure they are gallstones or what.

Pain continues through 2018, I'm prescribed meds, have the occasional brief hospital visit due to dehydration.

Summer '18 we use DH's work medical insurance to further investigate.
Am referred to a gastroenterologist.

Colonoscopy shows nothing MRI shows mass in gallbladder, described as sludge.
Final diagnosis is IBS + gallbladder problems.

Aug '18 see dietician who suggests I try FODMAP diet for IBS and gallstone prevention diet for gallbladder problems.
I try both, separately, for 6 weeks at a time and neither makes a difference to the pain or problems.

Gastroenterologist gives me the option of seeing a surgeon to talk through gallbladder removal options.
I decide, with DH agreement, to do nothing further for now re investigation and intervention.

The pain continues, it's difficult but manageable and I've become good at fending off attacks and various other ways of getting through despite pain often keeping me awake at night.

Dec '18 after a discernible increase in symptoms I telephone for a GP referral to see surgeon re gallbladder removal privately.

Feb '19 saw surgeon.
I didn't take to him but didn't discuss this with DH in case my previous bad operation experience was clouding my judgment.
Surgeon gives me the option of surgery, I say 'no for now'.

Tuesday this week.
The pain is overwhelming, I'm at work and they call an ambulance.
Only IV morphine gets to the pain.

On the way back from the hospital on Tuesday evening I leave a voicemail for the surgeon's secretary to say 'ok, this is now ridiculous, how do I go about arranging surgery?'
The secretary calls me back that evening and says she will make an appointment for me to see the surgeon.

DH and I have a conversation, it transpires that neither of us liked the surgeon.
During our initial appointment he hadn't answered any of DH's questions and had talked over anything DH said throughout.

At this point I will say that DH is usually mild mannered, unjudgemental and very precise it's his job to be.

We go to my appointment with the surgeon on Thursday.
The surgeon says there was no evidence of gallstones on the scan or MRI.
DH says he knows this isn't true, that he had been present for every consultation and the scan, that during the scan objects could be seen and the MRI showed sludge.
At first the surgeon talked over DH, then ignored him completely, then said DH was mistaken and then that DH was lying and that there was no evidence to the contrary.

As there is no evidence the surgeon says he wants another abdominal scan I'll arrange this for asap.

DH is seething, I'm in pain and unhappy though not with DH and we are agreed that this won't be the surgeon who operates on me.

I know that scans can be unreliable when looking for stones, let alone sludge, so I'm worried about the possibility that a scan won't find anything.

I'm still in considerable pain, I can't go back to the NHS Dr from the hospital to ask what she did see on my scan over a year ago but didn't record on my notes.

I can ask my GP how she knows unprompted by me that there was 'sludge' evidenced on the MRI but a GP appointment takes weeks. I've never actually seen my GP.
I could see if I can see the gastroenterologist again to ask him about the MRI but that will take time and he may well not be straight about it because he's failed to tell the surgeon the same information sludge as he previously told us and reported to the GP.

Apologies, that was long but the details are pertinent to the latest information about the surgeon, my gallbladder and the stupidity of all of it.

I also know that I'm in a privileged position as I can access private medical care so one way or another things will move quickly.
Even so, it still feels a bit shit and ridiculous at the moment as I've gone back a few steps in the process.

If you've managed to get through all this then I'm very grateful.

Any suggestions as to what to do next are welcomed Thanks

Flowersmakemyday · 03/03/2019 09:29

What a lot you've been through Nancy. I've never had any dealings with private health care, but my first thought would be to go back to your provider and explain that you are not happy with the surgeon and would like to have a second opinion. I'm sure if you tell them what you have said here that it would be a reasonable request.

Flowersmakemyday · 03/03/2019 09:32

Just to update my story, I ended up with an emergency GP appointment on Friday after being in pain all last week. Second GP immediately arranged a referral for a scan, is sending me for blood tests tomorrow and increased my painkillers, so at least I feel I am being taken seriously now. She also said that, if it is my gallstones with a bit of pushing from her there would be time for me to be operated on before leaving for University in September which is a big relief.

notapizzaeater · 03/03/2019 09:45

@NancyWho - can you phone the insurance company ? I had private surgery on my knee last year and I was given a choice of surgeons ?

NancyWho · 03/03/2019 10:37

Everything crossed that it all moves quickly for you Flowers and that the painkillers work.

Flowers and nota thank you I spoke to the insurance company on Friday, I have the name of other surgeon(s). In particular, one who is outside of our local area, which is good because locally all of the surgeons know everyone else. This was evidenced by the fact that the surgeon mentioned the gastroenterologist by name to say he would be in charge of the ward, even though the surgeon would do the operation. I will get the scan done locally first before I see another surgeon.

More than anything I was incensed at the way the surgeon had treated my DH. He the surgeon was beyond rude to my polite, kind DH, the surgeon was merely condescending to me though he did say that all of my symptoms pointed to gallstones/sludge/whatever.

Apologies for the length of the post last night. It helped to get it all down.
If you managed to read it thank you!

UserThenLotsOfNumbers · 03/03/2019 13:52

Sorry to hear you went through all that Nancy. I think a different surgeon is the way to go.

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ALemonyPea · 05/03/2019 20:46

I'm all done, and home. In quite a bit of pain, currently in bed propped up with heaps of pillows. Operation itself was fine, only under an hour or so. Have had to order some wire free bralettes as wound sites too near where my bra would be.

livinglavidavillanelle · 06/03/2019 07:53

Glad it went well for you Lemony. I'm six days post op now and feeling absolutely fine. Day 2 and 3 were the worst for me, but by day 4 I could stand up without wincing.

I've got a weird rash on my stomach though, in an almost perfect square, so I'm assuming it's a reaction to the iodine, or whatever it is they prep your skin with first in theatre.

ALemonyPea · 06/03/2019 17:09

Glad you're doing better, Living. I'm so full of wind, it's uncomfortable, burping loads as well. Might have to send DH out for some windeze if it doesn't settle by tomorrow.

No real appetite, not to bothered.

Had a bit of a restless night, it's so hard sleeping on propped up in bed. Was too painful sleeping on my side.

Steeve · 07/03/2019 18:49

I had mine removed in June '17. From August '17 I've been suffering the symptoms of a gallstone attack - nausea/vomiting, excruciating upper right abdominal pain spreading into my back, and sometimes jaundice and diarrhoea. Have attended A&E over 50 times with these symptoms, they "fix" me with IV morphine, IV anti-sickness meds and IV fluids.

I just wanted to check if this has happened to anyone else, and this seemed a good thread to ask - apologies for the tangent.

Good luck to everyone waiting for/having their gallbladder removed. ThanksThanksThanks

UserThenLotsOfNumbers · 07/03/2019 20:11

Sounds scary, have you been checked for stones in the bile duct?

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mummymayhem18 · 07/03/2019 20:28

Steeve if you go back a couple of weeks on this post you will see my previous post. Does any of that sound familiar to what you are experiencing?

Steeve · 07/03/2019 21:27

I've had an MRCP that showed a distended Common Bile Duct and bile sludge. On one assessment after being admitted via A&E a surgeon mentioned it's not uncommon for striations to form through the CBD.

I'm awaiting a Endoscopic Ultrasound for over a year now, as I need Propofol to get through it; I'm also seeing a consultant (luckily the one who did my surgery) next Wednesday.

It's also been mentioned to me that it's "highly probable" that I have developed PCS (Post Cholecystectomy Syndrome).

Mummy - there are some I can relate to, but not others. My vitamin B and D haven't been checked at any point. Who's the best professional to approach for this?

Thank you for your posts, and sorry for being a pain with my first post here!

mummymayhem18 · 07/03/2019 22:36

Steeve if you think you could be suffering from a deficiency you can go to your gp and ask to be tested and explain what symptoms you have. Good luck.

justasking111 · 07/03/2019 22:49

Steeve, I am awaiting a colonoscopy next week, the upset stomachs have been getting worse. Had lunch out today, 1 glass of wine, 1 fish pie, a sliver of brie. One hour later was on the loo. Foods just going straight through me. The consultant suspects it is to do with my gallbladder removal but wants to rule out anything else. I also have a hiatus hernia, so as you can imagine am very fed up. Am back to eating toast, thin soup, pasta, chicken, mash and vegetables again. One meal out in two weeks and I am back to square one.

justasking111 · 07/03/2019 23:07

Mummy I found the BAM diagnosis and thought bugger I wonder if this is what it is. I had the first attack 18 months ago whilst abroad. My gallbladder was removed in 2013. Thought the attack was a one off, holiday food etc. Had a few other attacks since then and wrote them off. The last two months it has been awful, thinking where the nearest loo is, missing family events. I will discuss this with the consultant next week. Did not know about vitamin deficiencies. Oh bloody joy.

Incidentally was diagnosed with gallbladder problems forty years ago and told to eat a low fat diet which I have pretty well stuck to since then. Funnily enough when I have wanted to lose a bit of weight eating healthy etc. after a few weeks it has all kicked off gut wise. So in 2013 had the gallbladder out. The scan showed it was just full of sludge.

Flowersmakemyday · 08/03/2019 00:46

When people say they get back pain, where exactly do you get it? I've been getting a lot of pain along where my bra strap sits and also in the centre.

Steeve · 08/03/2019 02:02

My back pain is central in the lower back, spreading out, around the area where the kidneys are.

UserThenLotsOfNumbers · 08/03/2019 17:56

I'm sorry to hear about your experiences.
I must admit it's experiences like these that mean I live in fear of something going wrong now I've had the surgery.

I'm now 7 weeks post op, been back at work for 4 weeks.
I'm back to normal, eating normally.
I've noticed I burp more than I used to, and am a bit more prone to getting acid indigestion and a gripy stomach if I eat lots of naughty foods. But it's really not that bad.
I've also noticed that some of my "gallbladder" symptoms were due to my desk set up at work. Some of my "gallbladder" aches came back a bit a week or so after I went back to work.
Before my op, I had a few osteopath apt's, and when she worked on my rib cage it felt sore, and what I'd put down to GB symptoms. She said it's nowhere near your gallbladder, and my symptoms got better after the osteopath treatment,

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ALemonyPea · 08/03/2019 21:11

I'm still in pain, feel dizzy when I stand. I'm ok sitting down still, no pain then. Day 4 for me. Changed my dressings last night, wounds look fine, lots of bruising, especially around my belly button.

ALemonyPea · 09/03/2019 06:37

I've had a stabbing pain on and off since I went to bed last night where I was getting gall bladder pains before I had it removed on Tuesday. Is it normal? I've been awake since 5 as couldn't get comfortable. It seems to have eased and only had two attacks since. Unsure what to do. Wondering if it's because I had something fatty (McDonalds) or if I've done some damage somehow.

Prequelle · 09/03/2019 06:40

I'm an RN who nurses women with surgical issues like gallbladder problems and post cholecystectomy so if anyone has any questions feel free to ask!

UserThenLotsOfNumbers · 09/03/2019 07:48

ALemony
I had this happen a couple of times when I twisted awkwardly. Panicked but turned out just to be muscular. Keep an eye on it though. It's still very early days for you, perhaps not quite ready for McDs yet??

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