Vaccinations in schools etc

[MumUnderTheMoon]

Just wanted to get other peoples feelings on this. With a fall in the number of vaccinated children there are now increasingly cases of diseases which have been almost eradicated. Are we reaching a stage where children should have to be vaccinated to attend schools, nurseries etc? Home schooling is becoming more popular so if you choose not to vaccinate there are other options.

I think there should be exceptions for children who cannot be safely vaccinated but other than that I don't disagree. I knew someone who missed her A levels due to catching measles.

This would further isolate children of certain religious groups, whose best chance of being exposed to other parts of society is to go to school. Or you can have a situation like in the US, where you can get a religious exemption, and then other people who are worried about vaccinations end up lying about their religion in order to get their kids into school.

I absolutely think that vaccinations should be mandatory to attend school, nursery and university etc. Also for certain jobs which bring you into contact with vulnerable people. Unless there is a medical reason, then you should be vaccinating your children.

Plenty on here disagree though,so be prepared for this thread to turn into a bun fight.

Totally agree. Unless there is a medical reason why a child can’t have vaccinations.

I’m about to start medication that will suppress my immune system and this has been playing on my mind a lot!

Defo agree, I remember watching an episode of GP's behind closed doors, a woman had taken her children 'back to her home country' ( I hate that saying ) when the baby was supposed to have her jabs, so she missed it, the woman didn't even know she was meant to have vaccinations !! The amount of diseases she could bring back is wrong and I think for that reason it should be a factor of whether a child can attend school or not, my DD has had all of her vaccinations and the Flu jab also this year as she is due to start nursery next year.....

I live in another European country and parents get fined if they don't vaccinate their children. Their children also are not allowed to attend any nurseries, pre-schools or kindergartens. I think they can pay for certain private institutions but lost won't accept unvaccinated children. They are allowed to go to school at 5 + but are not allowed on any residential trips etc.

Obviously there are exceptions for children who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons.

Btw...I think the policies of vaccinations here are great!! 😁

I think a child's right to an education should be upheld, regardless of their vaccination status.

I would however embrace an Australian-type model whereby state payments for children (CB, credits) were either reduced or not paid for unimmunised DC, unless there was a medical exemption for some/all jabs or doctor certificate that a child was following n approved 'catch up' schedule.

I agree that there would have to be exemptions for medical/religious reasons but I think that we should do this to protect us all.

First of all there needs to be proof that the increase in diseases is down to the non vaccinated. It's well known that vaccinations do not prevent catching the disease being vaccinated for. We need evidence not well meaning but unsubstantiated conclusions. When they report flu deaths how many, if any had the vaccine?

Secondly there is a study that the vaccinated become carriers and thus shed the disease causing more to come in contact with it.

Lastly the vaccine inserts and vaccination compensation schemes detail the possible side effects harm from vaccines.

Thus more unbiased research needs to be done before such a claim of manadatory vaccination for schools should be warranted. Medicine has made mistakes in the past like vaginal meshes, contaminated blood, swine flu to mention a few. We must be certain that a) there is a real risk, b) it's completely safe and without risk which is disputed by a minority.

The flu jab isn't one of the ones on the required schedule, IYSWIM and there is no attempt to produce herd immunity (just protect the vulnerable and reduce the impas superpreaders).

If you turn to something like MMR the research is already there - there's a rise in the of cases (it is well surveilled, also at continent and global level) and in recent outbreaks (over a certain number of clustered cases) the minimum number being in the unimmunised was over 70%

With diphtheria, all deaths were in the unimmunised; ditto whooping cough. So even for diseases where cases do arise more readily in the immunised (usually because full protection wears off) a level of protection remains, meaning the illness is milder and has fewer life changing/life ending sequels every.

Please do not think that research has not been done or has not been published in peer-reviewed journals, just because it's not chattered about on the internet.

Jenny there is a substantial amount of unbiased research out there. You may not have come across it because information on the internet is heavily biased towards the anti-vaxx movement - even if it looks impartial when you dig deeper you often see it's funded by anti-vaxxers.

BBC article in the recent WHO report on the resurgence of measles as 'complacency' has led to lower immunisation rates.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-46387167

Notable increases in Europe. And in number of deaths globally. When they start happening closer to home, perhaps people will realise it's not a trivial matter. Look at the queues for the shot in Wales during that outbreak (

Number of cases of measles mumps and rubella drastically reduced despite reduction in vaccinating with mmr? Stats from 1996 to 2017 www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-confirmed-cases/confirmed-cases-of-measles-mumps-and-rubella-in-england-and-wales-2012-to-2013

Europe isn't UK www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-45246049

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Check out where the highest rates of measles are in Europe.

Home schooling is becoming more popular so if you choose not to vaccinate there are other options.

Home schooling is only a certain percentage of a child’s time. What about when they are in the shops, play areas, visiting friends/relatives etc?

I say this as someone who firmly believes in vaccinating and I have even paid for certain additional private vaccines for my children, but some children cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons etc and it seems very unfair to penalise them and also their families as home schooling prevents a parent (or usually a parent) from working and bringing in an income.

And your point isJenny ? without context those stats are pretty meaningless

blaa read the links and the in the post above.

Deaths from measles is very rare in the UK even with the return to the highest number of cases the UK saw when vaccination levels were higher.

The context is that some of the news articles are alarmist and whipping up fear, whilst displaying selective statistics. Whilst when taken in context is not the way it's being made out. This of course does not mean we need to be complacent either.

Death from measles is thankfully rare but what those stats don't show you are complications resulting from measles .....

Taken on their own without context it's difficult to add any real meaning to a bunch of numbers .