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Can a child vomit repeatedly after fatty food?

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Reastie · 20/08/2018 20:14

To context this, I have emetophobia. It’s quite bad. I’ve had various therapies, I’m much better than I was, but it’s still a big issue. I say this because it’s the reason for this being a very big deal for me.

So we are on holiday. Dd (7) I’m relatively careful with what she eats in that I don’t give her very greasy etc food, or when I do she has very limited portions. She has school dinners which may be quite stodgy etc so might be used to more fatty stuff from there but at home I control this.

This morning I did cooked breakfast as a treat and she had an egg, bacon, and a teeny tiny bit of bread and beans, so nothing really starchy. For lunch we had fish and chips at the chip shop for a treat. She had about half a child’s portion of cod and chips but she’s never eaten deep fried chip shop food before. I never deep fry anything or give her deep fried anything when out or if I do it’s very small portions.

About an hour after lunch she was saying she was hot and was in a terrible mood (she usually gets in a bad mood before she comes down with something but she might just be in a bad mood!). It was fair enough as the sun had come out and it was warm and we weren’t expecting it. Half an hour later she started complaining of a tummy ache and a full feeling in her throat then another half hour she was sick everywhere all over the car.

Since then she’s been sleeping for a little while, waking up and being sick then sleeping more. This has been a pattern for about 6 hours and she’s been sick maybe 5-7 times. She hasn’t yet had any drink or food as she says she doesn’t want any.

Can a child really be affected this much by fatty food? I’m in panic mode that she’s got a sickness bug. If this is the case it really is for me like a living nightmare. I know it’s hard to understand if you don’t have this but my phobia means I’m living the worst thing possible. It’s like imagine your worst nightmare and how you’d feel if that happened to you and that’s how I’ve been feeling right now. We are in a very small holiday home with thin walls and one small shower room, there really is no escape. Dh bless him has been such a superstar and dd is being very well looked after and cared for by him. I’m worrying that if it’s a bug that could mean we [dh and i] may catch it. The more she’s sick the more I worry it’s too much, it must be a bug rather than food causing this. Dd is not a sicky child (she has had one sickness bug so far which was about 3 years ago) so it’s not like she’s sick at the drop of a hat. Please don’t judge me, I’m here cowering and shaking with anxiety and really don’t need judgment at this point.

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RadioDorothy · 21/08/2018 20:30

Haha thank god for the Internet eh! I've got a huge collection of noro killing germstar Grin

Rachie1986 · 21/08/2018 22:22

Well done for not taking the cleaning stuff as standard then!

Reastie · 22/08/2018 07:51

Oh god. So she was getting back to normal, this morning said she was much better so instead of plain dried toast (all she ate yesterday along with a bit of apple) she had dried breakfast cereal for bfast (Kellogg’s multigrain shapes things). She’s now complaining of the full feeling in her throat she had before (she complained of this before she was sick, we thought it was just reflux. I can’t cope if it comes back and she’s sick again.

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BlackInk · 22/08/2018 09:37

Oh Reastie, I'm really feeling for you. Is there any chance your DD could be feeling anxious about being sick again? My 6 year old DD really suffers with nerves/excitement (thanks to me no doubt) and often (every day at the moment) complains that her 'throat feels funny'. I think it's that queasy feeling that comes with anxiety.
Even if your DD is sick again try not to panic as it doesn't really change anything. Try to distract her from the feeling - I encourage water play (playing with toys/cups etc) in the sink as I feel safer in the bathroom and do find running water calming. Get her to wash her hands and face, maybe watch a video on your phone?
Fingers crossed it's a false alarm x

Pastaagain78 · 22/08/2018 10:15

Probably her stomach getting back to normal and figuring out how to process the food again.

dundee12 · 22/08/2018 10:22

if it’s a one off than unlikely but my sister & collegue were sick after fatty/fried foods which went on for a year. Both healthy, slim girls in their early 20s & in each case the doctors didn’t take it seriously until they lost a lot of weight. Gall stones in both cases.

Reastie · 22/08/2018 12:57

Thanks for the messages, she’s ok again! Think black was right, it was just her tummy getting used to food. She’s had nothing but toast, half an apple and the multigrain things for breakfast for the past 2 days, I need to google other plain gentle food options!

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BlackInk · 22/08/2018 15:48

Ready salted crisps, crackers and plain biscuits (digestives, ginger nuts etc.) are usually on the menu here after a bug. When she's ready for a bit more we tend to do a small portion of scrambled egg or baked potato with a little cheese. Very small amounts of live yoghurt. I steer clear of fruit and veg for a couple more days but my OH is more gung-ho! Banana is probably OK but my DC aren't fond.

Reastie · 22/08/2018 17:33

Thanks black, she’s had a day of toast again as that’s what she’s asking for! She doesn’t seem to want anything else. Have bought breadsticks and ginger nuts and made a very basic scone this evening with some raisins and grated apple that she might be able to try a bit of tomorrow.

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Delatron · 22/08/2018 21:52

Both my kids had a weird thing last week. They had a massive burger (far too big) then we went out in the heat. One child came over so ill he fell asleep on the grass and my eldest threw up a few times. I don’t think it was a bug or poisoning as they were fine later.

So too much fatty food and heat when you’re not used to it can cause this reaction.

Hope she’s all better now .

Reastie · 23/08/2018 06:46

Thanks dela. Haven’t seen her this morning but seemed a lot better yesterday evening. Typically the weather here on holiday is now tipping it down whereas it was lovely when she was ill! Still have lots of anxiety dh or I are going to get it. I’m really looking forward to just getting home

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RadioDorothy · 23/08/2018 08:45

Reastie, even though you say your DH gets things kind of late, as in 2 weeks later, I think that must just be a coincidence - if she had a bug and he was exposed, he'd incubate it for 72 hours max before becoming sick, so I'm fairly sure you'd know by now.

Of the intestinal bugs, norovirus (and I think rotavirus, but I'm not a microbiologist just an emetophobe) can survive on surfaces for up to 72 hours, but dies off after that without a host.

Years ago about 7 of us from a group of 60 fell ill 36 hours after a works Christmas party (I felt like death but didn't vomit, only had the other end while everyone one else was being sick). 36 hours after that, those people's partners (who weren't even at the original party) started falling ill.

So it was definitely a contagious virus and people showed symptoms within 36 hours of being exposed.

So in your case, if it was even a bug at all I'd say the danger has passed! Flowers

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Nogodsnomasters · 23/08/2018 13:14

Radiodorothy if you read the research into norovirus you will see it can survive for 12 days on soft fabrics and up to 2 weeks on hard surfaces, unless bleached away. Also you are still shedding it in your poo even after symptoms stop for about another 10 days so if that person is not washing hands properly after and then touching surfaces then it will continue to be all through the house on light switches and door handles etc unfortunately. Not only that but vomit particles can travel up to 7 foot forwards and side wards and settle on all those surfaces such as toothbrushes, toilet brushes, tiles etc

RadioDorothy · 23/08/2018 18:47

Excellent.

sawbucks · 24/08/2018 02:58

True about the virus living on surfaces and in feces but not sure about the particles traveling part. The virus isn't airborne either.

Hope you are doing better OP. This thread has prompted me to seek treatment for my emet!

Reastie · 24/08/2018 06:12

I’m sure I remember reading an article about a concert where someone with norovirus was sick by the air ventilation shaft so the airborne larticles went into the air conditioning and there was a Moro outbreak following the concert. Thing is, the more you research the scarier it all becomes and the worse you get!

Thank you all for your support. We are past the 3 days symptoms free yet I’m still anxious as I know the germs can still be with dd in her stools and this could cause transmission. I’ll be glad to get home from holiday too!

Sawbucks I’m glad my thread helped you seek help and if it helps you get better then it will have been a positive experience to go through for me (sort of...).

Once it’s all over I’m going to look at the positive and negative to how I reacted thinking with my CBT hat on. I may have completely buckled and lost all sense of perspective and anxiety took over (still is....) but there are positives —somewhere— in how I’ve improved despite this...although I think I might go back to finding holiday homes with two loos minimum in future...

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RadioDorothy · 24/08/2018 08:11

Glad you're all still OK. In the meantime, without wishing to turn this thread into emetophobics anonymous, I'm having a mild panic this morning - I'm due to start a 6 hour course on a motorbike at 9am, I'm a bit nervous and now I have a weird and persistent stomach pain which started shortly after getting up and walking the dog at 6am. It was right behind my navel, now its shifted to the right.

Normal brain - you're just a bit nervous, you're not sick. It'll pass.
Emet brain - I've got a bug, today of all days. The cramp is going to escalate until I feel really ill and either a) have to give up and come home (at a cost of £165), or b) shit myself/vom in public.

FFS.

Nogodsnomasters · 24/08/2018 08:24

radiodorothy option c) you could go and nothing bad will happen. But I fully understand that it's near impossible to convince yourself of that version.

Sorry I can't remember the name of the poster who questioned the vomit particles (I'm on mobile and afraid to click back in case I lose whole message) but if you Google "vomiting Larry" it was a controlled experiment done at a university lab and found that whilst someone is throwing up the particles are airborne for about a period of 5-10 minutes and then settles on surfaces and I believe 7 foot was the range it reached. I wished I hadn't but I've done a lot of reading on this, not good for mental health....

RadioDorothy · 24/08/2018 08:35

Oh yes NoGods, I'll go and nothing bad will happen - I get anxious but I usually don't let it stop me! I'll be fine, just jittery.

I thinking that googling "vomiting Larry" is not a good idea!

Sometimes research and shared experiences relating to this phobia is unwise. Grin

Reastie · 24/08/2018 15:49

Through researching this phobia I’ve found out lots of things I wish I never knew! It’s like a car crash, I really don’t want to look but I can’t not.

Radiodorothy let me know how you go. I’m exactly the same but once I’m there and have started it’s fine its just anxiety before it starts. I hate it and I know what it is but yet I still get it all the time!

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RadioDorothy · 24/08/2018 16:40

I'm back. Rode a motorbike for 6 hours without shitting myself, vomiting or falling off, I'm now quite good at slow control, and there is precisely nothing wrong with my stomach. Grin

In fact, I've eaten nothing all day so I'm now shovelling in some custard creams.

I did have to use one of the instructors crash helmets though, which smelt of other people's hair and old breath.

How are you all Reastie?

Reastie · 24/08/2018 18:22

Yay Dorothy. Always good for a bit of an added emet challenge (or as my old therapist would say ‘oppertunity’) with the helmet. Glad you got on well and hope you didn’t let your tummy spoil the fun.

Packing up to go home here. Still anxious and just want to be home but the anxiety realistically won’t go for another week or so when I finally feel I’m properly out the danger zone.

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jitterbug5 · 02/09/2018 21:09

How are you, OP?

Reastie · 03/09/2018 06:51

Hi jitterbug, I’m ok (ish). Much less anxious than before, it’s two weeks today so once I get today I’m up the way as mentally my head is anxious for 2 weeks I think I’ll be ok. I still have separate towels in the bathroom to dry hands but I’m easing with cleaning etc. Had a migraine yesterday, probably from all the stress! Thanks for checking in, it was an absolutely dire holiday for me but it’s over.

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jitterbug5 · 03/09/2018 07:54

@Reastie ah fantastic news! 2 weeks - you are well and truly out the woods. Breathe and WineGin for you tonight!

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