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Can someone help me understand this blood results print out please

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hatenighttime · 05/07/2018 22:54

So I've had lots of ongoing issues with various things and have had a full blood count come back as everything is normal.

This is the print out I got back from the Gp. I do not understand a word but after reading lots of threads on here about how the uk is bad for giving results back as 'normal' when in fact they are not has encouraged me to put these up so someone may be able to show me that I am at the low end of something.

For example, I don't know if vitamin d is on there or b12 but I've been told my vit d is 50 and having read several threads on here about vitamin d, I have learnt that this is in fact low and not normal.

I'll attach them anyway and if anyone has any knowledge about this please advise.

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Gard21 · 06/07/2018 10:49

Surely your doctor is the best person to discuss these results with. If you can't get a face to face appointment ask for a telephone one. There is no point speculating and guessing.

hatenighttime · 06/07/2018 16:20

Gard I'm not speculating and guessing. If you read my fyrther responses you'll understand why I'm posting on here

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9amTrain · 06/07/2018 16:54

There seems to be an epidemic of GPs not interpreting blood tests 'correctly', or in favour of the patients symptoms, possibly because of NHS guidelines and outdated teaching?

Thyroid for example. They will rarely do the full panel and rely on TSH, a pituitary hormone, and use ranges that are too vast. They often won't treat until TSH reaches 10 yet anything above 2.5-3 would be considered (subclinical) hypothyroid in other countries.

Vitamin ranges are also too vast, with B12 being considered normal as low as 140 when evidence suggests deficiencies can manifest below approx. 550 and the serum test isn't conclusive anyway.

Plus all the debate with vitamin D being around 100 to be optimal.

And how ferritin can be really low with your hair falling out, but you're told you're completely fine.

The list is endless.

9amTrain · 06/07/2018 16:56

After years of getting nowhere, I've learnt not to completely trust my GP as I've had enough of them tell me I'm fine, it's my age, I'm hormonal, I need to walk more, I'm a hypochondriac when I know it's not the case.

Going private has shown I have sleep apnea, several vitamin deficiencies due to absorption/gut issues as well as hormonal imbalances. And I haven't even had the full tests yet.

Useless.

LornaMumsnet · 06/07/2018 18:36

OP, we really hope you don't mind but we can see incredibly identifying/personal details in your photos and we're not sure that this was your intention - we're removing them now.

So sorry if we've got it wrong here - please do feel free to repost after cropping/tweaking.

9amTrain · 06/07/2018 18:56

I think the OP said they reported it anyway? :)

hatenighttime · 06/07/2018 21:04

Thanks Lorna, I did report it last night

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DharmaInitiativeLady · 06/07/2018 21:42

Yep 9am train I've got low ferritin, folate, b12 the list goes on...lost a LOT of my hair...yet GP says this is not a problem!

9amTrain · 06/07/2018 21:44

It's absolutely ridiculous isn't it? They tell us not to Google stuff, to trust them, that they're the expert etc.

Often doesn't seem like it.

Howareya123 · 07/07/2018 22:46

Surely the normal reference ranges are printed on the lab report? I didn't see the photo. You can't tell the normal reference range for the test preformed in the lab without knowing the method or platform used to preform the test. 50 may be normal with one method or low/deficient with a second, different method.

Bettertobehealthy · 10/07/2018 21:51

hi hatenighttime !

 Yes you are right , a blood level of 50  , in UK units of  nmol/L  is  pretty low for this time of year.  

 Be careful not to confuse units ,     the  info posted up above  from the <a class="break-all" href="//www.vitamindcouncil.org/i-tested-my-vitamin-d-level-what-do-my-results-mean/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Vitamin D council</a> ,  (an American website) talk predominantly in American units of  ng/ml ,  i.e  nanogram per millilitre.  Where they say that 50 is good ,  they mean 50 ng/ml ,  which is the same as 125 nmol/L  when measured over here in the UK in our different units of nanomol/L. ( nmol/L).       So,   in UK units, a level 125 nmol/L is good ...   a level of 50 nmol/L is  pretty low. Unfortunately,   it is however quite a common level at this time of year for us in the UK. To convert from American units to UK units   just multiply by  2.5. 

    I'm glad to hear you have read a few of my posts concerning vitamin d ,  where I point out that our physiology is attuned to higher levels than those that commonly prevail in  most Western people. Our indoor lifestyle  and our high latitude combined with anti-sunlight  attitudes, often combined with suncreams and continuously covering skin by clothing etc inevitably means we don't reach blood levels that prevailed throughout our evolution. 
       By having evolved white skin , many of do have to be more careful in strong sunlight,  burning or overexposure is very detrimental,  but conversely avoiding sunlight such that we have low levels of vitamin D is also detrimental to our health.  A Swedish study, of 29,000 women ,  showed that sun avoidance was equivalent to smoking in terms of detrimental health outcomes.   <a class="break-all" href="//www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24697969/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">See Here</a> and <a class="break-all" href="//www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26992108" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Here</a>

  As I have previously pointed out on Mumsnet ,   blood levels of about 120 -140  nmol/L   are  normal for us,  a species of Great Ape, that arose in Africa over millions of years .   Practically every cell in our body has a receptor for vitamin D , over 2000 of our genes have Vitamin D response elements. Strong daily sunlight at those latitudes below about 33 degrees  kept our blood levels around 120 -140 .    
       Indeed , if we replicate those conditions for  a  Westerner , then levels rise to those ancient levels even for todays lifeguards , outdoor workers etc etc.     

Over that last few years , Vitamin D research has shown that below 100 nmol/L is not a good place to be. It makes a great deal of sense to try and ensure your level is around 120 -140 , and even somewhat higher is still a perfectly normal level found in some outdoor living people.

      Supplementation is likely to be the most convenient means of achieving that ,   here in Northern latitudes.  Although we do get some sun ,   not nearly enough here in the UK,  at latitudes above 50 degrees,   where UVB  is absent from sunlight from  mid-Oct  to mid-April.   Our food , contains very little ,  it is not big natural source. Wild caught  oily fish  does have some ,  some meat product have some ,   but none in fruit and veg. Eggs have a tiny amount ,   just 40 IU .  Enough for a chick...!    
In strong sunlight , our bodies can produce 10,000 to 20,000 IU  per day,  in just a short period of sun exposure.   Any particular area of skin is saturated in about 20 mins. So no need to burn or overexpose.

       Those that supplement can expect their  blood  level to rise from their pre-existing level by 25 nmol/L for every 1000 IU  of daily supplementation.   It will take roughly 2 to 3 months to stabilise for a continuous daily dose.    IF you stop , then your level will likely just drop ,   to your natural pre existing level ,  unless you make some lifestyle changes ,  ie. more sun,  lots of oily fish etc. 

      Many people get a prescription from a doctor , take it for a few months , their aches and pains go , then they stop.   That is a big mistake.  Continuing with a maintenance dose is preferable. 

OP, IF your original level was about 50 , then , in my opinion , you should consider taking at least 3000 IU per day for 3 months , then measure your level. If it is below 120 , then increase your dose by say 1000 IU until you keep above 120. On your new daily dose , check your level after about 3 months.

              Response can vary,   by as much as 6 to 1 .    The figures I have given are an average, for an average responder, you may be different , therefore , I do suggest you check your levels with a vitamin D test.   Your doctor may co-operate, he may not ...   however you can get  private tests .  Here is one lab , it is an NHS lab , at Sandwell ,  a blood spot on blotting paper , sent to them , with results emailed back within a week.     <a class="break-all" href="http://www.vitamindtest.org.uk/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.vitamindtest.org.uk/</a>    Unfortunately they do charge £29  IF the test is not doctor ordered.  

         Best of Luck, 

hope this proves helpful ,  

     BTBH

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hatenighttime · 11/07/2018 20:26

Wow I feel honoured that you have posted @Bettertobehealthy Grin thanks for that!

Can I pm you ?

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hatenighttime · 11/07/2018 20:28

@Bettertobehealthy I am not white either (but light skinned of my race if you know what I mean) ... does that mean I will need even more vitamin d ??

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Bettertobehealthy · 12/07/2018 18:33

hi again hatenighttime !

 Yes  PM  away .  I would be glad to answer any Vit D questions that you may have. ( IF I know the answer ...  and  if it has been researched in the scientific/medical literature) 

     It is quite likely that your skin pigmentation could be a factor in your vitamin D blood level.   In general ,  statistically speaking, darker skin means lower overall Vit D status, in  Western  higher latitude countries.   Of course , on an individual basis , your own behaviour , such as sunseeking, clothing level, sunscreen use, diet ,  sunbed use, your  own genetic make-up etc, etc  will determine your own blood level and vitamin D status.  It has been measured that some people with   pigmented skin  needs 3 to 5 times more sunlight ,  to manufacture the same amount of Vit D as lightly pigmented white skin.   So,  instead of 20 mins  you may need , lets say 1 hour , to make the same amount of Vit D.  Don't burn ... very important !  Just out of interest ...   A white, but naturally tanned (with melanin) skin , has an spf factor of about 3 !

      Melanin ,    i.e. human skin pigmentation,  is an effective sunscreen ,  that is its very purpose (evolutionarily speaking).  In fact,  melanosomes,  congregate above the nuclei of cells , in order to protect those  nuclei from UV radiation damage.  Mother nature is wonderful... !  So we have a mechanism to produce Vitamin D,  ie UVB radiation  acting upon our skin , but also a mechanism to protect our cells from damage from that UVB radiation.    

 What does this mean for you ?         Well, all human bodies need Vitamin D to function  ,  if you are deficient , or low,  then some pathways or systems will be hindered. This results in a malfunction , either over the short term ...ie rickets, osteomalacia  ... or the long term... i.e. Cardio/vascular problems , bone problems , autoimmune problems etc. 

  As I have mentioned above -   if you aim to  keep your level  of VitD  at the human normal …  roughly 120   to 140 ,   nmol/L ,   then  it will help maintain a healthy body.  You should obviously try and have a nutritious diet ,   with  all those other nutrients that we need .   That might not be an easy task  nowadays .   Do you consume all the minerals that you need  ?  Do you exercise or brisk walk ,   in the open air , around midday ,  with sunshine on a large area of skin ?   Those type of activities will help. 


 Best of |Luck 

BTBH

hatenighttime · 15/07/2018 09:35

@Bettertobehealthy I have pmd you!

If my levels are 50, am I ok to take the 20,000 iu tablets for a few days to boost my levels up ? Will it give me a bad stomach or will it be ok?

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Redteapot67 · 15/07/2018 09:39

Mine were 30 and I felt awful. Bone tired. I did stop once I felt better and had to go back on the supplements again as I just got run down again after a few months

Redteapot67 · 15/07/2018 09:40

Op I got told to take 2000 for levels of 30

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