Boys HPV Vaccine

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Anyone given their teen boys the HPV vaccine??

It's given as standard in Australia and prevents some threat and penile cancers but also protects their future sexual partners.

Any good / bad experiences??

DSs are 13 & 14

Definitely should be available as standard in the uk IMO

I paid privately for this for my ds. I asked my GP about it and they didn't do it as a private service but they told me about somewhere local that did it (i could have googled). Cost about £300 in total, two injections that had to be at a certain time apart - a few weeks. No issues. Ds was 11 turning 12, thought I'd done it stupidly early but actually he had a girlfriend aged just under 14 so has been snogging and I'm glad to have done it. (No sex yet I hope )

Certainly!

We immunise boys against rubella, which doesn't harm them, in order to protect unimmunised pregnant women. If immunising boys against HPV would not only protect unimmunised women, but also protect the boys against disease, then we should surely do this.

i meant certainly as in agreeing it should be available.

I will be getting my ds done privately. It protects boys from genital warts which are very distressing. Also some protection from anal and head and neck cancers. If a boy turns out to be gay the cancer risk is important.

I was watching Loose women yesterday and they were on about how the virus causes cancer in men . Go’s support it been given to boys but not the government

I work in a head and neck cancer unit. I know the sort of cancer I see is really rare and I trust the NHS to make the right decisions on this sort of provision, but for my own peace of mind for ds it was worth it. What really decided me was that one of the most amazing ENT surgeons I know has had his boys vaccinated. If it's good enough for his sons...

Wow. Thanks. I've been quoted £450 each for 2 DSs.

Similar to @annandale, oral medicine, maxillofacial surgeons have paid to have their sons vaccinated.

No information is given to parents/patients about risk factors - HPV on its own does not cause cancer, other co-factors are required. For the vast majority of people the infection clears with no intervention. The lifetime risk of developing cervical cancer in England is 0.76% (CRUK). This is a good article from The Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton University and includes information on risk:

www.ias.edu/ideas/2017/light-cervical-cancer

For boys, have a look at the website for the Office for National Statistics for information on the age demographics for male HPV related cancers.

As far as i know Hpv on its own can cause cervical cancer. It is not yet clear whether hpv on its own can cause the much rarer oropharyngeal cancer, but there is certainly a cohort of younger patients with oropharyngeal cancer who have never smoked, do not drink very much and who have hpv positive tumours. The effects of oropharyngeal cancers and the side effects of treatment are pretty awful, and they are hard to spot in the early stages, unlike say laryngeal cancer which affects the voice early on.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC145302/

"Although HPV is essential to the transformation of cervical epithelial cells, it is not sufficient, and a variety of cofactors and molecular events influence whether cervical cancer will develop."

Thanks Katie, really interesting and I'm obviously wrong.

DS is only 2 but if it isn't standard when he starts secondary school I will pay for him to have it privately.

Does anybody know the procedure for getting my son vaccinated?

He is 16 and openly gay but has not yet had a partner.

I believe as he will be having sex with other men eventually he is eligible for the vaccine but I am unsure where to approach? Gp/Gum clinic? I have read it is only available at certain places but the internet is showing different information.

Due to past medical history he is at higher risk of cancers so seems sensible to get it done as soon as possible before he has his first relationship.

Xx

Speak to GUM clinic, Lloyds or boots pharmacy or a private GP service. It's £150 a shot on average and of over 14 they need 3.

It will be free at GUM clinics nationwide and is currently being rolled out, so best start there.

I read tpday that boys identifying as female can have it for free on the NHS

DS 1 had his on Friday, £182 a shot!!! He is 14 so only needs one more between 6 months and a year from now.

DS2 13 will have it but is nervous so I will do in the holidays!!

I had never heard of this HPV (Human Papillomavirus) vaccine until the Immunisation team contacted me through my daughters school. So i did what not many parents do. I spent 20 long solid hours researching. (over 4 days) The biggest challenge was sourcing non biased information. Before i continue i must say that i'm just an average parent with no medical qualification and i cannot prove anything because the internet was my medium of research and there's no way of authenticating anything beyond doubt. So this is just my findings and i STRONGLY advise every parent to commit time and do the same.
So i couldn't use anything from the NHS because they are directed by the Dept of Health, who in turn are directed by EU, who in turn are directed by W.H.O (World Health Organisation) , whose biggest financial donor is Bill Gates, who has shares in pharmaceutical companies who make the vaccine. The second and third biggest donations were actual countries, USA and UK respectively. I could write plenty more on this chain but it's just one strand of research. It concludes conflict of interest on so many levels. The WHO have a strategy to market vaccine to 95% of girls in UK.
So we're talking about Gardasil made by Merck in America. That's what we are being asked to put in our girls. The American CDC and FDA fast tracked this drug after limited trials. The CDC and FDA are run by ex Pharmaceutical employees. More conflict of interest. The pharmaceuticals have also been given immunity from prosecution when the drugs harm people. Instead the government taxes the drug to pay private compensation payouts to victims. So more conflict of interest. The drug was never tested for long term effects to the reproductive system either.
Back to Gardasil and Merck. Diane Harper was a leading figure employed by Merck in the trials and testing of the vaccine. She openly speaks out that she doesn't recommend this vaccine be rolled out worldwide as it has been. That clever marketing is misleading. It doesn't protect against cancer it protects against SOME not all HPV, that are found in SOME NOT ALL cancer cases.. It doesn't last for ever and they will probably try and sell you boosters in the years to come. Seeing as it's 400 pound everytime. Easy money right ?The body actually clears HPV by itself in nearly all cases. Regular PAP smears test will prevent escalation to cancer. Its the PAP smear tests that are the key to low cervical cancer deaths not vaccines. Diane Harper has plenty more to say on the matter. Look her up.
Gardasil. Banned in India, many more countries following suit by applying through courts. Japan, Spain, France to name a few. Even USA don't use it now. They used to do a three dose package but too many people were reacting adversely or dying. Probably from the aluminium, so they lowered it to 2 doses worldwide and gave their own citizens Gardasil9 (a modified vaccine) instead. A large number of countries including the UK and Eire have set up non profit organisations who help victims of this vaccine and raise awareness. They also meet globally to raise awareness. They will add more food for thought and advise against this vaccine if you look them up.
I could go on and on but again don't take my word. No seriously don't take my word. Do your own research properly. As if your child's life depended on it. That is the reason i'm posting this. because speaking with other parents they don't research at all, their friends did their kids, or its safe because its the NHS, or if the school are complicit it must be okay. All the reasons parents give. But none are those reasons are valid. Even asking a GP has it's issues. Many GPs aren't educated about vaccines. They have a brief lesson at medical school that tells them what vaccines and what age. That's it.
I'm sorry i haven't written all my findings but its so long. All this is is food for thought to encourage more parents to actively research in an intelligent unbiased manner. Needless to say i have not consented to my daughter receiving this vaccine.
Incidentally I know that AUSTRALIA have now made it mandatory for girls and boys and that is a worry to me.

DS2 vaccinated today against HPV and MenACWY. All went well and he was fine despite being really nervous.

Just gutted that next years Yr8 boys will get it free and it will have cost me £720 to get mine both done!!

www.sheffield.ac.uk/news/nr/hpv-oral-cancer-1.798103

"- New study shows rates of high risk HPV oral infection lower than expected

• Smokers and those with more sexual and oral sexual partners are most at risk of infection"

“However, we found the majority of individuals testing positive for high risk strains of HPV were actually positive for strains other than those covered by the current vaccine (HPV 16 and HPV 18). This shows the need to consider newer vaccines which protect against more HPV strains in the future and for individuals to be aware of lifestyle risk factors such as number of sexual partners and tobacco use.”