Vaccination and shedding advice with another child?

[Twocatsonebaby]

I ask if you aren't going to be nice, please don't comment.
My dd has a play date on Monday with a little boy who's had his 16 week vaccines around a week ago.
I've read they shed. My dd is unvaccinated (I ask for you to be respectful. It's our choice and I did consult numerous doctors in this decision.) and I'm worried because the 16 week vaccines are the 6in1, menB and pneumococcal.
I've also read that the viruses can be picked up if you mess with babies poo, changing etc up to 28 days.
So I'm all for her having a play date but a little worried. If they do shed are they transferable through shared toys etc if they're put in the mouth? I'd rather leave it past 28 days but I mean. You can never be sure of who you're sat next to anyway I'm public and what they have.

If your vaccines worked why is my child a risk to yours?
Because not all children or adults can be vaccinated. Some are immunosuppressed. Unvaccinated children put these vulnerable people at risk of death.
We are having Measles outbreaks all over the country due to people not vaccinating. People die as a result - including a friend of mine.

1 we are having measles outbreaks because it is always lingering. It doesn't just appear from thin air.

2 there are 2 types of measles. The original strain and the vaccine strain

3 reports very rarely tell you which strain of measles or if the patient was vaccinated when actually infected with measles.

OP

I understand the allergies/immunocompromised reasoning behind your choice and respect your choice.

Essentially you are asking if you should take your baby to a play date. Without doing an extensive literature search on the 6 in 1 vaccine you can only really say that the other child has been exposed so do you want to risk it? If the answer is no then I am sure your friend will understand.

I just watched my friend's son struggle at 8 weeks old with whooping cough. So sorry if I have no respect for someone who consults fucking homeopaths for advice about this kind of thing. Shedding vaccines, what a load of absolute shit.

I’ve only heard about vaccines ‘shedding’ on the internet.

In real life, I’ve had three kids have them all (well, all that were available then, two haven’t had the men B) and never given any warnings apart from the rotavirus one. And that was just to practice good hygiene at nappy changes which I do anyway.

We have a family member who is immunocompromised. She has very frequent contact and did very soon after vaccinations. No problems.

Shedding vaccines, what a load of absolute shit.

total ignorance.

www.oncolink.org/frequently-asked-questions/coping-with-cancer/side-effects/exposure-to-people-after-they-had-a-vaccine

I tried. Tried really hard. But nope, can’t find anything nice to say about this.

I’m not going to have a go OP because I know nothing of your personal circumstances, and will just try to stick to the facts. The 16 week vaccines are inactivated, meaning that they don’t contain any intact viruses or bacteria; they contain bits of those organisms attached to adjuvants (usually aluminium based) and it’s the adjuvants that provoke the immune response, so these diseases can’t be transmitted.

Live vaccines can and do shed, although don’t usually cause much issue unless a person is severely immunocompromised. The one you’re thinking of is the rotavirus vaccine, given at 8 and 12 weeks if the parents consent to it (and plenty don’t actually), and it is correct that you need to be extra careful with hygiene for a couple of weeks afterwards or it can spread through a household pretty quickly. Children don’t come across another live vaccine until the MMR at one year, then the annual flu spray (I thought the thread was going to be about this actually), unless they have had extras like the chicken pox vaccine. The flu spray is much more likely to shed/spread than the MMR viruses because of the way they’re administered. Incidentally, I also wish more parents knew that this one in particular sheds: many get it confused with the jag and think it’s inactive, and ironically give their kids a flu spray to ‘protect’ immunocompromised people but end up putting them more at risk.

Finally, don’t fall into the trap of assuming that vaccine preventable diseases are only spread by small children. This is often the case, but whooping cough for instance is mostly spread by adults with milder symptoms who don’t necessarily recognise it. In such cases the best defence for your child is vaccination, which should last at least while they’re very small. Remember that you can have one vaccine without having to have them all.

Unless your child is changing the other child’s nappies you’ll be fine..The poo could contain traces of the live part of the vaccine. I doubt a 16 week old baby will pass it on you yours.

I think it's strange that you are worried about shedding vaccines but not that your child will basically be susceptible to diseases she is not vaccinated against for the rest of her life? Surely it's not the shedding you need to be worried about?

Do you know what homeopathy actually is? It's just sugar pills...

Oh I missed the bit about the homeopath thing..... Oh dear.

Some individuals will be "live excreters" for literally decades (30-40 years) post immunisation ; used to be why they didn't encourage grandparents to change the nappies of babies. Polio is a candidate - I don't know if the other childhood diseases we immunise against are similar.

Certainly makes you think twice but the OP has clearly given such a big decision a lot of thought.