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PIP - nil points

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Nilpointnellie · 07/03/2018 19:57

Hi there

I’m just wondering if anyone has any advice on my situation?

I have many chronic health conditions- Rheumatoid Arthritis, Reynauds Phenomomen, Hidradenetis Suppurativa, Anaphylaxis (it seems my immune system is basically faulty). I also have long term anxiety and depression plus various other chronic skin conditions. I have ongoing gynaecological issues. I have long term iron deficient anaemia.

Despite this, I work full time. My life consists of juggling various medical appointments with my Consultant Dermatologist, Consultant Rheumatologist, Gynaecologist, phlebotomist, GP, Psychiatrist and Psychologist.

I basically collapse with exhaustion each evening. I am in constant but varying degrees of pain. My mental health is fragile.

Despite this I scored nil points on the assessment. I think they see I am managing to work and think I’m ok. I’m not.

I worry every day about losing my job. My medical team have said I would be able to work for longer and have a better quality of life (pain wise) if I didn’t push myself too hard working full time.

The problem is I have children, the mortgage and bills don’t pay themselves, the CSA/Child Maintenance Options (or whatever they are called now) were useless, as my ex is Self Employed. I do however receive £50 month maintenance direct from him now but I still simply cannot afford to reduce my hours without receiving any PIP.

My various conditions do fluctuate and their impact varies - I was honest about this. Even on a good week, just juggling the appointments takes ages and causes stress.

I am very worried that unless I reduce my hours I will literally sieze up or have a mental breakdown and be unable to work full stop.

Any thoughts on whether I should get any PIP?

I stupidly did not request a mandatory reconsideration and it will be too late now but I’m thinking of submitting a new claim.

Thanks in advance if you read this epic, moany post.

OP posts:
Synecdoche · 07/03/2018 23:34

You're right OP. Don't do the application alone next time and definitely don't let them get into your head and make you doubt anything about yourself!!

Nilpointnellie · 07/03/2018 23:37

Thank you.

Goodnight all and good luck to anyone else trying to get PIP.

OP posts:
lougle · 08/03/2018 21:53

I'm going to sound so harsh, but I think you need to understand the difference between the experience of your illnesses and the criteria for awarding PIP.

"My eldest does have to help me open jars etc. The Occupational Therapist gave me some sticky grip things which do help, but on a bad day I just can’t do them....other days I struggle to lift a pan and cook a meal.....When I can’t cook full meals I can feed the children takeaway/ready meals. I then don’t bother for myself due to risk of anaphylaxis. Sometimes I do batch cook and it does help.

This will only count if:
a) you have those difficulties for 50% of the time or more and
b) you can't cook a simple meal for one person from fresh ingredients and this includes using a microwave.

So if you can't lift a family size pan, but can lift a pan for one person, that won't count, sadly.

It takes a couple of hours for the stiffness to go upon waking. So although I’m shattered I always have to get up early. There have been lots of occasions when I simply haven’t been able to get out of bed and have had to enlist family to help me go to the toilet, get dressed. Other days I’m fine.

Again, it's 50% of the time or more that will count.

Most days I can drive , sometimes I can’t - I had to change my manual for an automatic.

"Sometimes I can clean the whole house and manage"

Not being able to clean your house doesn't come into it, unfortunately.

"The only reason I’ve kept my job is because my manager is supportive and I have flexible working. I can postpone things when I’m ill and do them of an evening or weekend when I feel better. I work from home half of the week to cut down on the commute etc."

Ok, so this might help you, if you can show that you have problems on 50% of the days or more.

"Although this is great, it also means I lose my free time, my time to recover/relax/do chores/see family as I’m constantly making up my hours."

This is irrelevant, for PIP, so you'll have to think of a different way of phrasing it to show the impact on you. It's not about free time/relaxation/chores/family time, it's about your ability to pace yourself through the week to be able to keep going, etc.

"I incur lots of expenses at the hospital - they have different clinic days and many are at different hospitals so I can’t be too clever about scheduling appointments all on one day etc. Hospital parking is pricey. I then make up the time I have missed from work ..I’m sure legally I prob wouldn’t have too, but work have been so good and I don’t want to take the piss."

None of this will count - costs incurred don't count at all. However, you could use this information, without mentioning costs, to show how much time you have to spend dealing with treatments, etc.

"Apart from the Reynsauds and RA being painful and debilitating, when the HS flares up it can make wearing clothes painful, it’s painful to sit down etc."

Helpful, but you'll need to quantify it so they can see if it meets the 50% criteria (I'm pretty sure it's 50% combined, not 50% for each Disability).

"I have loads of side effects from the various medications, nausea, sweats, hair loss."

Ok, but it's about the impact they have on your day and the care you need as a result.

"The OT recommended getting a cleaner and either paying someone to mow the lawn when needed, swapping to artificial grass or getting a petrol lawn mower to make it an easier job. All these things cost money I don’t have. I’ve practically stopped ironing as it leaves me in agony as well as being boring."

No, nothing to do with money. They don't care about money. Instead: you can't maintain your garden and OT recommended....(do you have that in writing?). You are unable to iron clothes and as a result feel liberated distressed when you are wearing crumpled clothing.

"There’s loads of things that i struggle to do. I’ve had periods signed off work when I’m really incapacitated."

This is helpful, use this and include copies of the certificates.

"I already had fluctusting mental health but the illnesses and constant juggling don’t help. I stay active and use a gym a little bit, when I can but mostly use the sauna as the heat helps. Again this was on advice from the OT but costs money."

Ignore the money, talk about the impact.

If I could drop my hours and /or afford a cleaner i just wouldn’t always be in so much pain.

The diary is a good idea and I will do that. "However, my RA and Reynauds are much much worse over the winter or when it’s really cold, like now - whereas when it’s warmer my HS will flare up as it’s linked to sweat glands."

This is a problem with fluctuating conditions. You have to have had the condition for six months and expect to have it (at a level that qualifies for an award) for a further 9 months. If you have a condition that would qualify in the winter, but wouldn't in the summer, and another that would qualify in summer, but wouldn't in winter, you could find that both conditions independently fail that test, even if they would together pass it.

After my mental health appointments each week I am utterly fit for nothing yet need to get back to work. I try to schedule towards the end of the day but it’s not always possible.

The juggling is exhausting.

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