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V Annoyed (am I being a dick...?)

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April229 · 23/02/2018 19:58

I have had a number of problems at my local GP. I know the Nhs are under massive pressure- I am greatful for all my medical care would never dream of missing an appointment or being a difficult patient.

Here’s the thing:

New Doctor’s Surgery - sign up with midwife at 13 weeks pregnant. Told to make appointment for booking bloods. Kept the appointment the practice lost the sample and it had to be done again at the hospital when I had a scan. Fine.

Midwife due to contact me for 16 week appointment. Never heard from her, didn’t get the appointment. Fine. No harm done, pregnancy is fine.

Non-routine blood test needed. Blood test booked. Attended appointment. Nurses assistant wasn’t sure what bloods to take, Googled and rang lab to check. Fine, it was for slapped cheek syndrome (B19?) unusual so fine for her to be unsure and checking with the lab is sensible. Told me results would be back in two days.

Called three days later the receptionist couldn’t find the results. I explained what it was for. They checked with the dr. Definitely lost - can I come in next day to re test. Fine, sort of. I’m 25 weeks pregnant so low risk of problems, but still 6% chance of loosing the baby so concerning that bloods for this have been lost. Attend appointment next day.

More bloods taken by different assistant nurse (AN). She had no clue why bloods were being taken, so had to go through the whole process of finding out what was needed again and obviously got different advice. DIDNT call the lab and took a different blood sample than the first blood test. Shirty because here was no registration form. Not fine really. I would have expected the following:

Someone to tell her ahead of time what was needed, why it was a priority - risk factors and the loss of the first sample by the practice.

I wrote an email to the practice complaints address detailing the issues. I mentioned the difference in the amount of blood taken for the same procedure should probably be a flag for the practice. My understanding is that when a patient consents to a blood test or tissue sample their consent only extends to the amount needed for the procedure. If they have taken more than needed for that purpose they are technically outside the scope of concent for that amount.

In Response to the compliant - I was told that the first sample wasn’t lost the receptionist and dr hadn’t realised it was a non routine blood sample so would take longer to come back. I could not have said slapped check syndrome more times to the two people who took the blood, and the receptionist who was talking to the dr. So essentially the whole second blood test not needed.

The dr called me - didn’t address any of the above apart from the confusion about the first blood test with a defensive response that “they (the people taking the blood test) aren’t nurses! They dont have medical training”. Hmm that seems clear, and it’s kind of the point I’m making. Should they not have enough training to know a non medical blood test takes longer to come back and have a reliable source of information telling them how much blood to take....?

The first AN should have told me that as a non routine sample it would be 1-2 weeks before results where back.
The reception who has to check for blood tests should maybe have a list that shows all the routine reasons for a blood test - then if it not something on the list they know the difference between lost blood test or a non routine that won’t be due back late and not book someone in for another one.
There is a real issue if people front he practice are taking more blood than needed for a procedure - that is a useful thing for a patient to flag and something a practice manager should probably want to do something about - a guidance sheet / direct everyone website that has accurate info on what to take so everyone is doing the same thing? They literally couldn’t care less - is this just a non problem?

am I the dick?

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AnotherOriginalUsername · 23/02/2018 20:43

IMO, with respect, yes. Someone made a mistake. By all means raise your concerns, but it was just a mistake. I also assume they took a couple of vials of blood, rather than a few pints?

April229 · 23/02/2018 21:55

Yes a couple of viles. Not pints.

I think it’s the series of mistakes and the feeling that they don’t know what they are doing. Calling me in for blood tests I don’t need, telling me they are lost samples that they hadn’t and different amounts each time. Maybe this is just way every GP is like.

Your view in noted though, thanks for adding with respect :) I’ll try and pipe down a bit on the subject.

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Frombothsidesnow · 25/02/2018 19:00

You really aren't a dick actually.

They should absolutely know how long various samples take to come back and the second blood taking was clearly done badly. Slapped cheek isn't so vanishingly unusual a test that it threw everyone involved so much.

It's also alarming that you missed your 16 week midwife appointment, although you should have chased it really.

Your doctor's response is unimpressive: I'd try a different surgery if you have an option.

April229 · 25/02/2018 21:15

Thanks for that From, I am now looking to change practices.

BUT THERES MORE.....

Call from the Dr. Now the results are back. I have no slapped cheek immunity but no signs of having it. Another blood test booked to check in two weeks.

The Dr. Explained that the form that should have been sent by the hospital midwives to the practice referring the first blood test hadn’t been sent, which is why they had no record of where the test was and therefore thought it was lost. (I have lists of questions with that, surely it got too the lab with my details on so something must have been filled in) anyway, I tried to explain some of the above to the Dr. And she just cut in and explained the people taking the blood are not nurses, (nurses assistants) don’t have medical training so wouldn’t know about the samples being non routine.

The fuck? I don’t even have a first aid cert and I would know that if it’s not a blood tests for a thing I recognised it’s probably non routine and therefore if it’s not back in three days not necessarily lost. I think my point was maybe they should have enough medical training to be able to know enough not to complete a second procedure if the first blood test was for a check that wouldn’t have been returned yet from the lab.

I left all this in the call with the dr, as she clearly didn’t get the points I had made in my email raising issues with the practice. Got a letter from the practice two days later to say they were pleased I had everything resolved with the Dr.? Half the issues above weren’t even discussed.

If nothing else I am really surprised that if you worked at a practice and were being told by a patient that different nurses assistants were taking different amounts of blood for the same procedure I would probably be concerned about that, and make it a priority to remedy. No one has even asked me about it.

I have told them to cancel the blood test and That I’m signing up at a new practice if I can - lots of local places are not taking anyone new. Who do raise this with outside the practice though?

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April229 · 25/02/2018 21:20

Ha! I hadn’t realised that by the time I had written the first post I had already included the call from the Dr. The letter ending the complaint process being the only update really.

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Hobbes8 · 25/02/2018 22:26

You could raise it with you local CCG if you wanted to take it further. They may refer you to NHS England or they might deal with it themselves, depending on where you live. There's slightly different processes in different areas.

FEJ2016 · 25/02/2018 23:37

You're not being a dick. Sounds like that practice really isn't well organised or staffed!
I would move on. But also you're 100% entitled to complain louder than you normally would bring pregnant. They should be taking better care of you.

Allthecoolkids · 25/02/2018 23:41

You’re not being a dick.

Competence is a fairly basic requirement.

TheDishRanAwayWithTheSpoon · 25/02/2018 23:47

Your really not being a dick! That s not just one mistake that's lots. It's also not okay to just say they have no medical training, they either need more training or they would report to someone with more training thereby being their problem. (E.g. if they do the blood tests for the gp he needs to take responsibilty). They should have a system in place by the person wih medical training so they know how long each blood yet should take to come back. It's not th3 people taking the bloods fault it's the people higher up who are supposed to give them this information and tell them how many vials to take because th3y have th3 medical training!

WoodFire · 26/02/2018 07:45

They are letting people take blood with no medical training. WtfConfused

April229 · 26/02/2018 14:59

Wood - I know right? I think what she meant was not the full medical training that nurses would have ( when I referred to them as nurses she corrected me to nurses assistants and said they don’t have medical training as if I was supposed to say oooh right silly me, rather than erm, that’s actually my point that they should have)

To everyone else - thanks for the replies, and the advice about where to take the issues to raise the concerns that this has thrown up.

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