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HPV vaccination

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KatieB55 · 13/07/2017 10:53

anhinternational.org/2017/07/12/hpv-vaccine-risk-uninformed-consent/#.WWcogq9vtTE.facebook

Interesting article from Robert Verkerk at the Alliance for Natural Health

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SacharissaCrisplock · 13/07/2017 10:55

By interesting do you mean heavily biased bollocks?

viques · 13/07/2017 11:21

Interesting article at first glance, he certainly writes persuasively. Then I clicked on the about us link. Literal tree huggers, with obscure alphabets after their names and a very good line in promoting themselves and their rather vague organisation on very little evidence of robust scientific investigation or understanding.

I think he ignores the fact that the USA is a litigious society, those leaflets will have been checked and re checked word for word, but not by doctors, by lawyers.

If cervical cancer , herpes and other STDs turn out to be curable and avoidable by dint of good nutrition then I will apologise in person. Until then I would avoid this snake oil salesman like a rattlesnake. Any one who thinks a sweeping statement like "more girls have been killed by this vaccine than by the cancer" is evidence of rigorous scientific expertise is sadly deluded.

I do think debate about the vaccine is a good thing, debate about all illness is a good thing, but it needs to be informed , accurate and based on proper scientific research otherwise we are back in MMR territory.

People with axes to grind are not usually very concerned about which trees they cut down while proving how sharp their axes are.

Caron2015 · 13/07/2017 12:30

For robust scientific discussion and a glimpse into the failings of the regulatory review process with the HPV vaccines, follow the papers from a group of scientists from the Nordic Cochrane group. Cochrane reviews are usually considered GOLD standard in the scientific community and Cochrane scientists are well respected and independent.

The EMA safety review of HPV vaccines in 2015 and the subsequent complaint from the Cochrane group to the EMA and the European Ombudsman is outlined here, with links to the original documents:

timeforaction.org.uk/information-resources/ema-nordic-cochrane-complaints/

Well worth a read, and it might help to clarify some of the points made by Robert Verkerk in the posters article.

I'd be interested to hear which points in Robert Verkerks article anyone feels are factually incorrect

MedSchoolRat · 14/07/2017 05:25

<a class="break-all" href="//hretractionwatch.com/2016/10/24/retracted-paper-linking-hpv-vaccine-to-behavioral-issues-republished-after-revisions/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Tomljenovic & Shaw have had loads of their articles retracted (adjuvant). That means that the scientific community decided they weren't credible -- bad science, officially "incorrect".

As for the rest of the page in OP... It's conspiracy mongering. Meh. Lots of vaccines basically could be called genetically modified. So what? Estimating number of lives saved is always going to be fudgy estimate, but that's not a reason not to estimate. Sex is not the only transmission pathway & HPV jab doesn't mean people are denied Safe Sex msgs (not that lack of those msgs would be a reason to oppose the jab, either -- sex is normal healthy behaviour for adults & protection measures can fail anyone).

annandale · 14/07/2017 05:47

The aluminium hydroxide stuFF in the article is nonsense as far as I know.

If a health authority spent money to inform teenagers that diet could prevent cervical cancer I'd be pretty shocked as this is also rubbish.

Disclaimer: i am not a specialist in any of this and paid for my son to have the Gardasil vaccine privately because of the hpv link to head and neck cancer.

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