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Any Overactive Bladder sufferers out there?

60 replies

buggerthebotox · 27/06/2017 13:07

I've had OAB since I had dd, 15 years ago. I am prescribed Regurin, which helps a bit but I don't always take them.

Yesterday I went to the Doc for a new prescription and she suggested I should "train" my bladder instead. I'm happy to give this a try.

Is there anyone out there who has this pesky condition who has successfully retrained their bladder?

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peonyinparadise · 29/06/2017 16:18

My gynae prescribed Vesicare 5mg. It has really helped, no dry mouth, the urgent need to pee has gone. My condition was a combination of peri menopause plus a run of bad UTI infections, we think. I can now sleep theough the night without needing a pee.

poohsticks13 · 29/06/2017 16:21

I think vesicare and solifeniacin are the same drug. I also take 5mg, 10mg was causing dry mouth, eyes and dry bleeding nose.

terrylene · 29/06/2017 16:29

I have local oestrogen (vagifem) which helps with this and the constant thrush/BV/whatevva symptoms that come with meno.

If I am going through an off-phase, I drink plenty of water during the day - enough to make your urine pale straw coloured. It is best on a day when you are near a loo, of course Wink. It seems to give your bladder a stretch and make it less likely to overreact, and helps you go through the night more (it was a tip I got from the nurse in the children's enuresis clinic ).

ThomasRichard · 29/06/2017 16:37

I had this after having two DC and then getting cystitis. It was like my bladder had forgotten how to work properly. I went through a GP to get referred to a urologist, had tests done etc. and was offered surgery but wanted to avoid that so I bought one of these TENS pelvic floor exercisers. It took about 3 months on the 'mixed' programme but it seems to have sorted itself out now. Worth a shot?

PollyPerky · 29/06/2017 19:44

It's important to separate out various different conditions as they all need different treatment.

I have had IC/ painful bladder syndrome for years. I get by only by not drinking anything except water (boiled or bottled), no spicy foods, no citrus foods, no tomatoes etc.

OAB is the uncontrollable urge to pee. Going a lot, without this urge is not always OAB- it can be due to loss of oestrogen if you are 45+ and heading into peri or menopause.

If you are post meno or peri meno you might need vaginal estrogen cream which helps build up the bladder and urethral lining- without a good lining you get the urge to pee a lot.

The anti depressant used is usually amitryptiline at a low dose (10mgs) which numbs the bladder nerves so you can hold more. It's usually used for painful bladder, not over active bladder.

Overactive bladder is treated with drugs like Vesicare which stop the bladder muscles from being overactive. They also sometimes use Botox injections in the bladder to calm it down.

For OAB you can try bladder training- going to the loo at set times and increasing the time between visits! So, very 30 mins, then extending to once an hour, then every 2 hrs, then 3 hrs. There are instructions online about how to do this!

It's a bugger, isn't it?

PollyPerky · 29/06/2017 19:46

@junebirthdaygirl you need vaginal estrogen cream from your GP. What you have is vaginal atrophy which also affects bladders- it can take up to 6 months to see the real benefits, but I reckon you need to try it!

bowbear · 29/06/2017 21:17

So glad I've found this thread! I've struggled for years with recurring UTIs and over the last few months I'm having ongoing bladder problems. I constantly feel like I need to go but when I do there's very little comes out. I get up to the loo about three times before I can get to sleep as I feel I need to go even tho I've just been. I've just started a course of Oxybutinin and I'm really hoping it will help as a short term course and not require ongoing meds.
It makes me feel so vulnerable when I don't have easy access to a loo. Really sorry to hear that so many others are in a similar situation. x

scarfaceace · 30/06/2017 09:09

I'm the same as all of you really - it's horrible isn't it?

A few years ago I had three or four days off work and DH was away, so I kept a sort of diary - how often, how much, and how much I was drinking. I was averaging 20 trips to the loo during 24 hours. Took myself off to the GP who prescribed Regurin. It was life changing! That worked until about six months ago and I realised it wasn't as effective as it used to be. Went back to the GP and he prescribed Betmiga, but that didn't work very well. I had some Regurin left so started taking both together, and that seems to have done the trick. (The doc did say they could both be taken at the same time as they work slightly differently). I do get a very dry mouth so I always have a packet of mints to help with that.

I can go about three hours between visits to the loo and that is wonderful, though I still worry if there are toilets whenever I have to go anywhere, and I still go the last thing before I leave the house, but otherwise I do still try to hold it for as long as I can to keep up the training, IYKWIM. And I try not to drink much.

I've also got an app on my phone (Toilet Finder) which has been invaluable a few times when I've been in a strange place and really needed to go.

SpottyTeaCup81 · 11/07/2017 19:12

Hello everyone.

This is me. I'm so glad I've found you all as I really need to chat with others who have this too. I'm sorry to gatecrash!

It is an horrendous thing to live with. I've always had a weakish bladder but not to the level it severely impacted on my life.

I left my job two years ago due to it. Basically I had a bout of cystitis which ramped up my already frequent toilet-going and anxiety was brought into the mix too.

Luckily I have been able to go freelance.

Similar to a lot of you guys I can hold it for about an hour. There is wee. But not loads.

I think there is definitely a very strong anxiety component. When I'm at home it's far more within a normal range.

But even though anxiety plays a part it's such a physical thing as I'm sure you'll all understand. I wonder if that's why it's so hard for doctors to pick apart and we get fobbed off?

Today I had a latte on our way to a castle and we had to stop in a village and ask some poor woman to use her loo!! I'm going to quit caffeine and see if that helps.

It makes me feel trapped when I go out - I struggle to even do the school run. Anything where there is not the ability to have instant access to a loo is hell.

I feel I have so much to offer and so many things I could be helping with but this awful thing stops me.

I want to return to a 'proper' job soon as being stuck at home is quite depressing and so I'm starting on a new push to get it sorted.

Doctor prescribed me Vesicare - I'm worried about taking them though. Any advice?

Also, I've downloaded a bladder app whereby you can record how much you eee and when. A faff but I'm pretty determined.

poohsticks13 · 11/07/2017 19:59

Hi Spotty!
Sorry to hear you have problems too- it sucks!

I can recommend the vesicare. It takes a little while to get into your system. I was originally on 10mg every day but take it every other day now and it helps a lot whilst keeping side effects (dry eyes, mouth and nose) minimal. I tried something else before vesicare but it didn't work as well.

I take it at night as it was making me tired if I took it in the morning.

Hope this helps!

poohsticks13 · 11/07/2017 20:00

Just to add that it has basically stopped me having the constant urge, wetting myself all the time and not being able to hold any wee in for any length of time. It's not perfect but it has enabled me to have some normality.

SpottyTeaCup81 · 11/07/2017 20:02

Right then! I shall take first tablet tomorrow! I'm type one diabetic and so need to be somewhat of a light sleeper through the night just in case I have a low blood sugar. So I think I'll have to put up with the tiredness...

poohsticks13 · 11/07/2017 20:11

Just see how you are with it. Good luck!

Rugpulledfromunderme8 · 13/07/2017 19:48

Hello! Very pleased to have found other people who know how I feel - although sorry for us all for having to put with this debilitating condition.
I've had OAB for 18 months after several misdiagnoses of UTIs. It has been horrendous at times - absolutely desperate for the loo all the time, so much so that I couldn't even sit down, I had to stand and jig around. Feeling desperate the second I got up from the loo. Torture.
I started missing work and couldn't leave home - I stopped going out, would never arrange to even meet a friend for a drink as I felt SO uncomfortable.
Anyway, I got given Vesicare and it was miraculous. I was "normal" 30 minutes after taking it!
Sadly, it only lasted one month and then stopped working. I was given other drugs and nothing worked until I tried Betmiga, which took about two months to work properly.
I still have off days - and I've had eight UTIs in a year! (They are listed as a common side effect of Betmiga)
I was interested to read the comments about anxiety impacting on it. I definitely feel it's a factor. If I'm having an off day and I sit quietly at home watching tv or reading, I find it often relieves itself after an hour or so.
I think there needs to be a lot more awareness of this awful condition, both amongst GPs and in general. Does anyone know if it's a lifelong condition? I've read mixed messages about this. I'm really hoping not.

SpottyTeaCup81 · 16/07/2017 19:02

How is everyone getting on?

I've been bladder training which is really helping me with my confidence.

Saffiyah · 28/12/2017 02:24

Hi I’m 16 years old and I’m going through the same thing you guys are but I haven’t been diagnosed with OAB. I’ve had this since I was 7 years old and has been getting worse ever since. I’ve been in and out of hospitals but the doctors won't do anything to help me and I’m wetting the bed every night and I need some advice on what to do.

FrameyMcFrame · 28/12/2017 03:03

Some very good advice on this thread. I find it happens for me only in the second half of my cycle, I'm also peri menopausal. I need to pee as soon as I've stood up from the loo like the pp said.

Footle · 28/12/2017 08:58

If you need to pee very soon after you've just peed, it may be because you have a cystocele - a bladder prolapse that gives your bladder an extra compartment that doesn't empty until after the main one is empty.
It's not necessarily all in your head.

Footle · 28/12/2017 09:01

If you don't want to give up coffee, decaf is a great improvement.

Footle · 28/12/2017 09:05

Saffiyah, how awful that you're not being offered any help. Try another doctor in your GP practice and ask for a referral to the Urology dept at your local hospital. You shouldn't have to put up with this.

PostNotInHaste · 28/12/2017 09:08

I've had bladder problems on and off since I was 16. It's currently pretty bad but I was delighted to find I have an 8cm fibroid sitting on it recently so hoping something can be done. First thing the sonographer said was something like 'betyiuare good friends with the toilet'. Nearly cried in relief and I generally don't cry much. Flowers for everyone with problems.

lettuceWrap · 28/12/2017 09:28

Out of interest, how many of you have a collagen disorder like I do (hypermobility- EDS, OI, Marfan etc).
I do wonder about a connection between abnormal collagen and gut/bladder issues.

Like some PP, my “irritable” bladder is worse when my IBS is worse. (Needing to pee, but then having a small pee and needing to go again soon after. I went gluten free a few years ago which HUGELY improved a whole pile of medical issues including the IBS and the bladder... the improvement made it easier to see that I was getting bladder “attacks” from artificial sweeteners (ie if I had a diet fizzy drink, or “healthy” versions of some foods which can be stuffed with artificial sweeteners). The effects last about 3 days with me.
Dr Google tells me artificial sweeteners may be a bladders and gut irritant for a lot of people so it’s maybe something to try - avoid them for a few weeks and see if you notice an improvement?

Footle · 28/12/2017 22:48

lettuceWrap, I've read that there can be a connection, but inefficient bladders are pretty common anyway.

AlessandroVasectomi · 28/12/2017 23:55

I’ve lived with this condition since my early twenties. I’m now 66.

I don’t know how much use my experience will be on this forum as my condition has not resulted from childbirth(!) but it is so useful to share with others who live with it daily.

Mine seemed to start as an anxiety thing in my final year of Uni. I began to find that I couldn’t sit through lectures without needing to rush to the loo and it became a sort of vicious circle. I had difficulty convincing my GP that I was suffering from some form of anxiety but he did prescribe tranquillisers, which didn’t really help. At the same time he got all the most likely causes checked out (diabetes, prostate enlargement for example) and all came back negative. I tried hypnosis, which concentrated on teaching me not to think about needing the loo whenever I was in a situation where it would be awkward, impossible or embarrassing to have to go. That didn’t work, although one thing the guy said that has always stuck with me was “Who is in charge of your life - you or your bladder? Decide that it’s you and you’re in the right mindset”.

A few years later I moved to a new area and registered with a new GP and I thought it would be worth seeing if he could help. As I thought it was an anxiety issue at that stage he referred me to a psychologist who taught me relaxation techniques and I did gain a little confidence from that therapy. However, nagging away at my mind was the thought that it must have some physical cause. So the GP referred me to St Peter and St Paul’s hospital in Covent Garden, which was London’s main Urological hospital, although it no longer exists. I had urodynamics tests, a cystoscopy and countless other tests that I can no longer remember and the conclusion was that I had an irritable bladder and small capacity. They offered me Helmstein’s procedure (which involves inserting a balloon into the bladder and inflating it so as to stretch the bladder), a small operation to disconnect the nerve endings of the bladder or a cystoplasty, whereby the capacity is physically increased by grafting on part of the bowel. I underwent the Helmstein’s procedure but it lasted for a few days only and things reverted to how they had been previously. I was then newly married and my wife was worried that surgery might affect my ability to have children so she and the rest of my family persuaded me not to have either of the other two options, but believe me I was ready to do anything to beat the nuisance of constantly needing to know where the nearest loo was. This was in 1977.

In the mid-1980s we moved to new area and another new GP. St Peter and St Paul’s had said that if I changed my mind I could always go back and reconsider surgery. I’d had 8 or so years of living with the condition and I also had two small children but it was getting me down again so my new GP referred me to St Peter and St Paul’s again. They said that nothing had really changed, except that they had found the operation to de-nervate the bladder wasn’t really successful (glad I didn’t have that then!) and that my only real option was the cystoplasty. This time I decided for myself that I couldn’t really go through with it so I resigned myself to living with the condition once again.

In 1999 I had the opportunity of touring Italy with the brass band my sons played in. The only drawback was that it would be by coach and one of my biggest no-no’s was coach journeys. I heard or read somewhere that drugs had been developed to deal with overactive bladder and similar conditions so I got myself referred to a Urologist at my local hospital. He carried out all the tests I’d had back in the 1970’s and couldn’t find anything untoward and prescribed a drug called Detrusitol. I can’t say that it did any good, but fortunately the coach had a loo so I did the tour of Italy and knowing that I could use the loo in an emergency helped reduce the number of times I did actually have to use it. After returning from the tour I continued to see the Urologist but he could only offer me the cystoplasty. He also said something that has stuck with me since. He said that without surgery we can’t cure your condition, you can only learn to manage it. And that it is what I have had to do. As mentioned by other posters, I limit my liquid intake as that is the only way I can reduce the need to pee but my GP doen’t like that approach as she advocates drinking a litre and a half of water daily. If I did that I might as well plumb myself into the loo permanently! As another poster said above, traffic jams are a nightmare and if I want to use the M25 I have to time it for when the traffic is likely to be at its lowest.

The condition has certainly dominated my life. Although I did gain a certain amount of confidence in certain situations, there are still others that fill me with fear or misgivings and there are some things I simply won’t do for fear of being taken short. I don’t know if my story has helped anybody, but it has been really good to write it down.

Footle · 29/12/2017 11:40

Alessandro, 'awkward, impossible or embarrassing'. You describe it well. An irresistible urge to pee used to overcome me when I was picking kids up from school, for instance. I still have to fight it when picking grandkids up.