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Thyroid Cancer

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winkywinkola · 31/03/2017 20:40

So I went for a scan today as I'd been advised my thyroid is swollen.

The doctor who scanned me said he wanted to do a fine needle aspiration immediately.

He said there were soft markers that tally with thyroid cancer. It might not be of course but he said that on a scale of 0-5, with 5 being cancer, I'm a 3 or a 4. The test results will obviously confirm.

He's a very experienced doctor. He's being kind, isn't he? Telling me as far as he's concerned it's cancer?

I have to wait a week for test results.

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winkywinkola · 01/04/2017 10:51

I've got to stop googling. Terrifying.

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PartyRat · 01/04/2017 11:02

I'm not long finished treatment for thyroid cancer and please believe everyone when they say that (generally) the outcomes are great. My GP actually said to me 'if you had to get any type of cancer, thyroid cancer is the one you want to get because it's so curable' I've just turned 27 but was 26 last year when it happened, and I agree 45 isn't old in medical terms! Strangely thyroid modules are very common amongst younger women, not sure why.

I also had a FNA biopsy taken on the day I had an ultrasound, which came back as likely being a T4 nodule (on the scale of T1 - T5, I think this might be what you mean when you mentioned 4/5?). After both my surgeries and treatment were complete my final diagnosis was T2 and that was including it having spread to my lymph nodes. Although this is frightening now, your final outcome and diagnosis may change slightly so please try and remember that.

Because the biopsy wasn't conclusive when it was taken, I had the affected side removed in August. While the surgeon was doing the op, she was concerned about the appearance of my lymph nodes on that side so removed them too. It turned out that the nodule was cancerous and had spread to my lymph nodes, so in October I went back to get the other half of my thyroid and the remaining lymph nodes removed.

The surgery really isn't that bad to recover from. For my first surgery I was doscharged the following day, but if you have both sides removed at once they will likely keep you in longer as you will have a drain at the incision and they will want to monitor your calcium levels.

My throat was quite sore after the surgery, but a lot of that was down to the breathing tube they use during surgery. My voice was a little hoarse, but that didn't last longer than a day or two.

You are quite limited mobility wise for a while after the surgery. No stretching up, picking up things, bending down etc. I had a longer recovery time because my lymph nodes were removed at the same time, but if it's just your thyroid being removed you can be back to work in a few weeks apparently.

After my two surgeries, I then had a course of radioactive iodine. To be honest, I probably found this part the hardest as it was so strange.

Due to how your thyroid is positioned in the body, there will always be some thyroid tissue left after your surgery. The radioactive iodine is used to ablate the remaining tissue. Your thyroid naturally processes iodine that we eat, so the radioactive iodine is absorbed by the remaining tissue and the radioactivity destroys the remaining tissue. This means no more chance of any cancer cells growing back!!

There is some preparation you need to do before you have this treatment. You need to stop your medication for two weeks. At the start you'll feel fine, but towards the second week I had 'brain fog', was exhausted. Try not to have anything too much planned during this period.

The second part is starting a low iodine diet. You start this the week before your surgery. Because your thyroid naturally processes iodine, by starving the body of it for the week before, the tissue is even more 'hungry' for the iodine and soaks it all up.

The diet is a pain in the arse, I won't lie. No sea salt, no sea food, no diary, no egg yolks, no processed food (because you can't tell if it's used sea salt), no red died food (no French fancies or salami 😢), even things like stock cubes and condiments you need to be careful of because again they might contain sea salt. Generally ingredient lists don't specific whether it's sea salt or non sea salt so I avoided it just to be sure.

BUT you can still eat pasta, rice, bread, fresh meat, fruit and veg. There are some great recipe books available with online access through google. If I remember correctly one was from the ThyCaAssociation (US based) and there was a British one available as well. The American guidelines are a lot stricter because iodised salt is more common there. They recommend avoiding bread and pasta, but you will be given a list of food to avoid by your clinical team so just stick to that to avoid any confusion.

One thing I can't stress highly enough is make as much stuff as you can in advance. Because you can't use things like stock cubes, you don't want to be arsing about making homemade stock when you're withdrawing from your medication. I prepared loads of things the previous week and froze them so it was all ready to go. I used SAXA salt as I read a forum where someone had called their uk customer services and they confirmed that it was non iodised salt.

Although it sounds a total pain, try not to stress too much if you accidentally have something you're not meant to. Obviously being strict betters your treatment but it's not the end of the world if you accidentally have a little.

The radioactive treatment itself is more boring than anything. When you've taken the tablet you're officially radioactive. The nurses are not allowed to touch you (but they obviously will if you get ill or something) and there are lead barriers the nurses have to stand behind when they come into your room!! It's a little lonely as the nurses aren't allowed to hang around and chat, but I was given a laptop, there was a tv and dvds in the room, and I was allowed to take my phone in - but other health boards have different guidelines re phones so don't take that for granted. I would set up a Skype account just in case, if you don't already have one.

You will not be allowed to take anything you bring into the room back out with you. (I was allowed to take my phone back out because it is a metal iPhone and doesn't pick up any radioactivity, but again your health board may have different rules). From the moment you take the tablet you are radioactive so everything you come into contact with is then contaminated. Take old jammies or clothes you don't mind loosing (good change for a clear out!) and old books and magazines. You don't have to follow the low iodine diet when you're in there so I took snack galore and loved them after the diet the week previously!!

I had my tablet on the Monday, and was released on the Wednesday afternoon. So it's not too long!! You do have some restrictions in place when you leave, based on how radioactive you are.

In the immediate days when you leave, you can't be around pregnant women or children, can't share a bed with anyone, can't be within arms length of anyone, and should avoid being in the general public. Nipping to the shop is fine but you can't do anything like go to the cinema or pub where it's prolonged contact. For me, those full restrictions were only in place until the Friday. Then until the Monday I had to stay away from pregnant women and children, but could be in public, share a car with someone, etc.

These restrictions are determined by how radioactive you are. The less radioactive, the shorter they are. Because radioactive material is secreted from your skin, and in your urine and bowel movements, you can help reduce the levels while you're admitted. Drinks gallons of water of juice to flush it out, and have showers and wash your hair. I had a shower on the Monday night, then 2 on Tuesday, then again on Wednesday before I had my final scan which dictates how long you need to stay away from people.

You feel no different after you've taken the iodine (and you don't glow in the dark haha!). Some people can get a bit nauseous, but you can get anti emetics if you want. It can cause your salivary glands to swell. This happened to me and it was uncomfortable, but nothing that paracetamol wouldn't shift. The nurses can give you medication for it.

My first surgery was August, my second October and I had the radioactive iodine in November. I returned to work in January after being off since my first surgery. Physically I could have gone back to work sooner probably, but my GP was keen I take some extra time towards the end to make sure I was emotionally ready to go back.

This has ended up huge, but I hope it's helped to explain the process a little and to reassure you. Honestly, it is a strange process, but the outcome is generally great and you don't have to worry about chemotherapy or anything. You will have a small scar on your neck but over time they fade to nothing. My scar is about 3 or 4 inches long and sits at the base of my neck just above my collar bone. It is quite noticeable at the moment because it's so fresh, but a family friend had his thyroid removed a few months ago and you cannot see his scar at all. So try not to worry about that either!! All in all, it's a relatively smooth process, so try not to worry too much :)

DoItTooJulia · 01/04/2017 11:02

Yes, Google isn't your friend.

If you have a family history, I would push hard for the calcitonin test early.

Shitty time for you. Do you have any IRL support? Flowers

PartyRat · 01/04/2017 11:11

Also I'm seconding staying off google! Even my medical team told me that!! I read the most terrifying things the day after my initial appointment but they are not representative of the general process!!!! If you absolutely need to look at info online, the NHS site and cancer research site are helpful, informative, but not terrifying.

winkywinkola · 01/04/2017 11:32

Thank you. Thank you so much.

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winkywinkola · 01/04/2017 17:05

Is it normal to ache in the region after a fine needle aspiration?

It feels really swollen and even harder to swallow now. Like it's all bearing down in my chest cavity now. I'm really worried in case it's spread into my chest.

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Hulder · 01/04/2017 19:30

Yes, totally normal. Even though it's fine, it's still a needle and they poke it in a lot of directions to get the sample. It will hurt!

Frouby · 01/04/2017 19:43

Hi winky, so.sorry to hear what you are going through. My dsis has just been through the same.

One thing I would say apart from all the information from PartyRat being very similar to my dsis experience is be prepared for the aspiration to come back inconclusive. It did 4 times for dsis and she ended up having a biopsy in the end. If it does come back inconclusive then maybe see if you can have the biopsy straight away.

Apparently it is difficult to verify one way or another with an aspiration. My dsis thyroid was in a mess and they still struggled. She had a full thyroidectomy and all her lymph nodes removed in October then the radioiodene therapy in January.

She is doing ok now. We are hopeful it's all over. But the waiting for a positive diagnosis was the worst bit.

DoItTooJulia · 01/04/2017 19:44

I've watched my mum have a LOT of things done and the FNA was by far the most brutal. You need painkillers, a comfy pillow, a warm hot water bottle and to get some rest.

Who's at home with you?

DoItTooJulia · 01/04/2017 19:47

Oh yes, my mum had a few FNAs and core needle biopsies and not one was conclusive. So be prepared for that. The medic that did her last one said 'no more' it's too invasive and painful for too little outcome.

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LittleCandle · 01/04/2017 19:53

I had thyroid cancer at 30. It was partly a family tendency to thyroid problems and partly my last pregnancy. I had two thyroidectomies, as they took the encapsulated tumour in the first one and the rest of the thyroid in the second. I have been left with a semi-permanent frog in my throat, but that is really all. I have been struggling with symptoms in the last few years but discovered the hospital lab is using out of date guidelines. Things are a bit better right now, but I would love to wake up feeling refreshed after a good night's sleep.

winkywinkola · 01/04/2017 20:18

Sounds like some tough experiences all round.

I had a fine needle aspiration six years ago. That hurt like hell. They had found nodules then. But said nothing to worry about.

This time I barely felt any pain. The doctor was amazing. Really experienced and whilst he had to joggle the needle around a bit, it wasn't half as as bad at all.

Whaaaaaat? The samples taken might not be conclusive? I can't wait longer. I only had the procedure yesterday. I need to get cracking with this. I have 4 dcs and I want them to be okay.

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PartyRat · 01/04/2017 21:45

My neck ached after my fine needle aspiration, I had a big dressing, it hurt to swallow and I couldn't yawn properly without having to stifle it (through your nose if you see what I mean) for a few days. So I agree with other posters that that's normal.

I actually had to wait about two weeks after the FBA until I got my first results, where they said it was likely a T4. The full biopsy was taken after my first surgery and that's when I was told it was a lesser version than previously thought. I was in a strange position where I didn't actually know I had cancer until it had been removed, which was quite a lot to get my head around for some reason. So although I had to wait for a final diagnosis, the major part (i.e. the surgery) was over by then.

I hope you're not stressing out too much. I know it's a terrifying thing to hear, and you want to know ASAP, but please be assured that even if the worst comes to the worst and it is cancer, it's a relatively straightforward process to remove it and then you're on the road to the all clear!! Flowers

8misskitty8 · 02/04/2017 00:34

I had thyroid cancer at 31. Been clear 6 years. All initial fan and ultrasound tests were inconclusive so I had a choice, surgery or wait 6mths and retest. I had problems sleeping as the lump pressed on my windpipe when I lyed down so I opted for surgery.
They took half out and it was a 4cm Tumor. So I had another surgery to remove the rest of my thyroid.
Then I had radioiodine ablation, in hospital for 3 days in a lead lined plastic coated room, then a further week I lived with in-laws as couldn't be near my children. That was the hardest thing.
Got a gamma scan a week after the radioiodine, it showed only radiation activity was were my thyroid had been which meant no cancer cells had spread.
Now on a combination treatment as levothyroxine (T4) doesn't convert properly in my blood so also take liothyronine (T3)

I googled extensively while having treatment and found quite a few 'celebs ' have had thyroid cancer including Claire balding (horse programmes), Kate sackhoff (actress) , and Jennifer gray (baby in dirty dancing)
My neighbour next door had throid cancer years ago and is fine and my aunt (by marriage, so no blood relation) had throid cancer about 40 years ago and is now in her 70's and all good too.

winkywinkola · 04/04/2017 10:30

What else could make a thyroid swollen? Established blood supply to a darker area etc? Just grasping at straws as the week wears on.

I will have to resign from my job because they won't be able to manage the absences.

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MichaelSheensNextDW · 04/04/2017 10:55

Do not resign!! Your manager will have to put in place a solution to cover for your role, that is not your responsibility unless you're self employed.

Thyroids swell when they're being flogged by a rising TSH when the pituitary has detected that T4 production is falling. And they swell when they're under attack from lymphocytes in the presence of autoimmune activity. Actual nodules are really, really common even in people who don't have detectable thyroid dysfunction.

No one wants cancer anywhere but if that's what it is, honestly it's incredibly easily fixed Flowers

winkywinkola · 04/04/2017 11:34

But my employer is a charity. I'd feel so guilty if they had to shell out more money on another employee.

Does all this mean indicating cancer? : Thyroids swell when they're being flogged by a rising TSH when the pituitary has detected that T4 production is falling. And they swell when they're under attack from lymphocytes in the presence of autoimmune activity.

I might 'phone them today to see if there is any news. Sorry but I'm not handling this terribly well.

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ButterflyFree · 04/04/2017 11:53

@winkywinkola Don't resign!! I was back in the office full time just a week after my thyroidectomy. Even if it is cancer - which it may well not be (the majority of thyroid nodules are benign) - it's not something you would need to take a huge amount of time off to recover from. Don't make any huge decisions until you 100% know what you're dealing with.

And, as other posters have mentioned, FNA is often not entirely conclusive. Sometimes they can't confirm what the nodule is until after undergoing a partial thyroidectomy.

winkywinkola · 04/04/2017 12:07

Do nodules present as a dark mass with a blood supply?

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8misskitty8 · 04/04/2017 14:45

If it's cancer you are covered by the disability discrimination act.
Do not feel guilty or resign from your job.

DoItTooJulia · 04/04/2017 14:56

Don't rush into any decisions about your job yet-you won't be thinking straight right now. It may not feel like it but there is time to sort all of that stuff out, and that time really isn't right now.

The waiting is so, so difficult. Have you been given anyone like a Clinical Nurse Specialist contact, because they are your first port of call and should be able to help you navigate the waiting waiting for results/chasing anything up. If they can't answer your call, they will phone you back.

How's the feeling of pressure you were having? Has it gone down now?

More Flowers for you.

MichaelSheensNextDW · 04/04/2017 15:13

Does all this mean indicating cancer? : Thyroids swell when they're being flogged by a rising TSH when the pituitary has detected that T4 production is falling. And they swell when they're under attack from lymphocytes in the presence of autoimmune activity.

No. Swelling doesn't mean cancer, not by a long shot. I was told at my ultrasound that nodules are extremely common and that over 90% are benign.

As an ex acute care nurse, it would be the one of the very few cancers I wouldn't be too bothered about developing, because it is very quick and easy to treat Flowers

ButterflyFree · 04/04/2017 16:39

@winkywinkola Do nodules present as a dark mass with a blood supply?

Yes. Most nodules are solid, most nodules have blood flow. And around 90% of nodules are benign.

winkywinkola · 04/04/2017 19:35

Right. Starting to feel a lot better about all this.

You lot are amazing. You really are. Thank you.

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MichaelSheensNextDW · 04/04/2017 20:47

It is SO horrible waiting for a phone call or letter though, it's really hard and totally normal to cycle between thinking it's all going to fine and fearing the worst. All I can say is be gentle with yourself and keep using us if you need to Brew

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