To vaccinate or not to vaccinate?

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Please help me... my baby is 4 months old and is amazing and healthy etc. My fiancé and all his family are against vaccinations and think they are very bad and cause lots of health issues.
My family and everyone else I know... are for it and say of course my child should have them.
I don't want to put my child at risk either way I am so unsure of what to do here.

You should ONLY ever vaccinate if you want your child to live.

If you aren't that fussed about them living let your stupid partners family get their way.

For what it's worth, I had mumps as a child. It was shit. It can lead to infertility in men, by the way. Why wouldn't you want to protect child from that.

I'm not discussing whether or not vaccines work, but I have heard that unvaccinated children are generally healthier than vaccinated children and now I know one who is in fact healthier than the vaccinated children around them

What the fuck is this?

You "heard"?? And you know of ONE child? WOW YES LETS DISCARD ALL VACCINATIONS ON THE BASIS OF THIS FLAWLESS RESEARCH.

Anti vaxxers are basically conspiracy theorists, and they boil my fucking piss.

Vaccinate, vaccinate, vaccinate. Don't ask, tell them it's happening! You're mum, your job is to protect your child- by vaccinating this is what you are doing.

By not, you are putting your child at risk of severe disability or loss of life. You are also putting those who are vulnerable around you at risk. It's a no brainier to be honest.

I never gave a second thought to either of mine being vaccinated, the pros far out weigh, misinformed cons. Don't just take everyone's word for it here, although some very good evidence provided, research it yourself, talk to your GP and HV. Ask your dh to research it too!

They are worse than conspiracy theorists.

Telling people the Queen is a lizard doesn't potentially kill young babies and children.

True.

There's some good information on the web that provide solid reasons to vaccinate. Have a look at www.publichealth.org/public-awareness/understanding-vaccines/vaccine-myths-debunked/

I'd not bother telling your pig ignorant fiance and his dimwit family FA and vaccinate. Personally, I'd seriously rethink staying with such a stupid person.

My mother lost 30% of the hearing in her left ear due to polio in the 1940s. She was 'lucky', two of the children in her class died.

Look at Mary Berry's left hand next time she's on telly. She lost a lot of use in it due to polio but remembers quite a few of the children she was in hospital with who did not survive.

oh my golly.. there is a vaccine compensation programme for some reason...oh yes they aren't 100% safe. I know I know what it. but the op wants to do some research first and I gave some advice, look at the PIL's and vaccine side effects and then look at the diseases themselves.

oh my golly.. there is a vaccine compensation programme for some reason...oh yes they aren't 100% safe.

Vaccine compensation seems to be a US thing unsurprisingly, and includes your basic allergy.

No medicine is 100% safe, but vaccines are as close to it as you get. It's risk/benefit. The minuscule risks of vaccination are far outweighed by the risk of the diseases themselves. if 1 in 1m children die or are injured by a vaccine, that is far, far better than the 100,000 in a million who will die or be left injured from the disease. Your child has a massively increased chance of dying if there is no vaccination programme.

This is why third world countries with no vaccination programmes queue for days at Red Cross stations for their vaccines. Because their children are actually dying of these diseases. We are lucky that it seems far fetched, because we do have the herd immunity.

You are the mother and have Parental Responsibility. If you are currently unmarried to your child's father and he is not on the birth certificate then he doesn't have PR. That means you alone have the say in law about medical treatment for the child so go ahead and get them done.

If the father is on the birth certificate then he will still have PR but will have to go to court to get a prohibited steps order to prevent you from vaccinating the child. No judge would allow such an order to be made, as all orders have to be in the best interests of the child.

The inlaws don't even feature.

Good luck, OP!

she wolf The research has been done. What you are suggesting (Facebook pages?!) is not research. It's the collated delusions of idiots who either cannot understand basic science or who wilfully misinterpret research findings.

Atenco You may have had polio, TB, measles, mumps and rubella and survived them with no ill-effects. What about the millions who didn't? The "I did(n't) do X and I'm fine" argument is simplistic, stupid and selfish.

Nothing in this world is 100% safe but the potential ill-effects of vaccination are significantly less likely and less severe than the potential ill-effects of not vaccinating.

My mother was an anti vaxxer back in the 80's. I as a result got whooping cough & was very ill in hospital. vaccinate! It's a total no brainier.

potential ill-effects of vaccination are significantly less likely and less severe than the potential ill-effects of not vaccinating

Could you point the OP to the source of this information? Because personally I have looked and looked for anywhere that compares the rates of vaccine damage to the rates of children harmed by these diseases and have not found it.

Because there are risks involved in vaccinating and there are risks involved in not vaccinating, so it is a difficult one to call.

Those recommending totally deceiving or ignoring her partner as a solution are off their heads.

Death and disability rates from polio, measles, mumps, rubella and so on are very high. Just not in the cosy UK, where most e vaccinated.

Think about it.

You haven't looked very hard, Atenco - first Google search brings up the WHO results. Vaccinating against measles has seen a 79% reduction in deaths compared to pre-vaccinations. And that's just for starters.

Here...

Conversely the only statistic I can find for deaths from the vaccination for measles is 347, ever in the history of the vaccination. And that was a statistic put out by the crazy anti-vaxxers. So the comparison is: 367 children a day as verified deaths from measles prior to the introduction of vaccination, versus 347 deaths in the whole history of the vaccination. Maybe. But the anti-vaxxers can't substantiate it.

HTH, atenco

Could you point the OP to the source of this information? Because personally I have looked and looked for anywhere that compares the rates of vaccine damage to the rates of children harmed by these diseases and have not found it.

Because you're looking at uk society where the majority are still vaccinated.

For damage caused by the diseases look to 3rd world and war torn countries where the majority aren't vaccinated.

Or, for example, how measles was used as a biological weapon to wipe out native americans.

I am a paediatrician. I have seen 18 kids with severe pneumonia from measles as none of them were vaccinated. Two ended in in ICU. I have seen one kid lose the ability to speak from measles encephalitis, not vaccinated. I have seen 9 children die from meningococcal meningitis....mostly too young to get the vaccine so not vaccinated. I have met one little boy who is infertile after mumps...not vaccinated. I have seen three still births as mums were not immune to rubella.... I am in my 30s not 60s and work and live in a first world country. That's way more "anecdotal" cases than the one "healthy kid in the class who is not vaccinated". I have read all the research as I unfortunately have to answer this question on a regular basis, there are hundreds of thousands of studies proving vaccines....the anti vax people's reply is to direct to you a FB site??? Seriously??? If I had my way any child who attended my clinic who was not vaccinated would be refused an apt, as it is I insist they are isolated and I see them fully gowned up to protect my other patients. I recently had a little patient who had Men C. Unvaccinated. The Dad said to me well it's not our fault is it, the vaccines wouldn't have stopped it. I was honest and said "no it would have actually". Sometimes reality hurts but in my opinion those parents had made their daughter seriously ill. They told me on discharge 1montj later that they had started vaccinating all their other kids and would be getting her started soon. It's all great to pretend vaccines are all big bad pharma until your darling child is the one dying in PICU from a disease you as a parents made them suceptible to.

I wasn't vaccinated as a child either pees, before ending up in intensive care with whooping cough. I had my vaccines after that funnily enough

I'm all for vaccines but hate these threads. I hate that people are so rude about others because of their personal choices and think that the non vaccinators should put their own very strong beliefs aside to protect other people's children when they themselves probably wouldn't put their own children in risk to help others. I have three dc's, all vaccined, but I would never be so entitled to think that someone else's beliefs or views were not important enough to say such stupid and opinionated things about them. The parents that decide NOT to vaccinate their children have views that are as important to them as they are us. And that's how I feel.

vaccinate your kid

tell ur in laws u didn't if it helps. but do it.

Its not just about someone's opinion though tentacles. There are people who cannot receive vaccines, and they rely on herd immunity from others. I was one of them. If you have ever had experience of witnessing those who have not been vaccinated, battling illness which was preventable, it is BEYOND frustrating to listen to the objections.

Tentacles- my issue is that non vaxxers "beliefs or views" are often based on misinformation or misinterpretation.

See above the poster who thinks the whooping cough vaccine turns people into carriers who then spread the disease. Or the poster that thinks more people die from vaccination than the disease.

They also don't realise or care that they are putting other people at risk.

They like to spread their opinions all over facebook and forums, so why shouldn't people counter their arguments.