Is anyone delaying MMR

[butterfly92]

I am not an antivax but I research every single vaccine before I will be giving them to my baby (i was injured by vaccination years ago). One thing that is concerning is MMR. At 12 months of age autism statistics are high and I believe it does cause it. I am reading the vaccine friendly plan which states that parents who followed it had 0 cases of autism! So i plan on delaying the mmr until they are at least 4 or 5. Is anyone else doing this?

That's a fact.

I thought this was going to be about delaying because supposedly its more effective after 18 months (or so I heard when DD was a baby) but no, just another idiot spouting anti-vax nonsense.

Andrew Wakefield. Ah.

After ww2, the civilised world looked at what the nazis had done in the concentration camps with horror (illegal, unethical experiments on unwilling people) and decided to draw up some guidelines for medical research. These are very sensible and are along the lines of getting informed consent, not experimenting unless the benefit outweighs the risk etc. That kind of thing.
Wakefield broke these rules. For personal gain.
He did painful and unnecessary experiments on children for his own financial gain. He has a company you see that does single vaccines. Scare folks with the idea that mmr causes autism and bang! Laughing all the way to the bank.

He is not some noble plucky little battler going up against big pharma. He's a fraud and a man who would did painful and unnecessary experiments on kids for money and fame.
It's absolutely right his licence was removed. He should be in jail.

I have a background in developmental genetics. Vaccines do not cause autism. Literally zero actual proper scientists or medics think that.

I am not antivax, I have had all my vaccines I am just really concerned about giving too many vaccines to my son when he is here and would rather space them out especially MMR. I just don't trust it :(

Butterfly I agree with you and there is an MNer whose doctors agree her child was damaged by MMR.

MN is on the whole a pro vaccination population however with the vast majority of posters happy with the "it's all a coincidence and that Wakefield was a charlatan" version.

Having said that the vast majority of children seem to have MMR and be ok. Neither of my children have had it because my eldest reacted badly to DTP. I also disagree with MMR for ethical reasons (don't believe combined vaccines with unnecessary elements are ethical for children).

If you have a reason to doubt how your child will react (family history, immune issues including eczema, asthma and allergies) then I would delay and probably only do measles as a single.

Good luck

butterfly92 Did you actually research WHO you were supporting?

Here in Sweden they do MMR at 18 months because there is evidence the immune response is stronger.
However... you have to balance that against the prevalence of the diseases in society. Here it's rare to not vaccinate so they feel safe leaving it till 18 mo. In the uk all three are rife so it's better to have it earlier. Ds will be having his at 12 mo because we travel to the uk regularly

Op, I'm sure you just want what's best for your kids. I have a lot of background in this field. Vaccines don't cause autism, but measles can and does kill and maim. Please vaccinate your kids

it's all a coincidence and that Wakefield was a charlatan

There is no coincidence...

Autism existed before MMR's
Autism exists in children who have never had the MMR
most children who have the MMR don't have autism...

What bit is a coincidence, that the rate of autism in children who have had an MMR isn't at all higher than those without?

Can I suggest you read the British Medical Journal's article on Wakefield's 'research'?

And it is quite incredible how many scientists will agree that measles can causes brain damage (and this risk is heightened if there has been another recent viral infection) but will state that combined measles vaccine never causes brain damage.

You are misunderstanding-

In very rare cases a vaccine can cause a drug reaction, just like any drug, food or substance. This is very unfortunate for the person involved but on the population level it's still better to vaccinate. People have reactions to many drugs/foods etc.

The very rare reactions are not the same thing as vaccines causing autism.

Autism is likely a very complex. Induction involving multiple genes. Probably a dozen or two. People don't like complexity. They want one 'bogeyman' cause they can blame and campaign against. Unfortunately, autism isn't that simple.

And it is quite incredible how many scientists will agree that measles can causes brain damage (and this risk is heightened if there has been another recent viral infection) but will state that combined measles vaccine never causes brain damage.

Why is this incredible?

MMR does not cause autism

You need to vaccinate as soon as you can. The younger they are the more susceptible they are to disease

Saying that, dd wasn't vaccinated until 18 months. She kept getting poorly around the MMR date. Everytime we cancelled and rebooked, she would get well and then fall ill around the date again. She finally had it at 18 months. No change from her normal behaviour

Ds had it just after he turned 1. No change from his normal behaviour

Don't vaccinate if you don't want to. I hope you'll then home school to protect innocent kids from your decision. And be able to live with yourself if your child gets measles related brain damage

Wakefield had a patent for a single vaccine and was being paid by a lawyer who did MMR lawsuits. What part of "fraud and conflict of interest" do you not understand? Ironic that you think he was a victim of big pharmacy when he was actually trying to get pharma money.

Beachcomber

You realise the measles vaccine isn't an outright injection of measles?
It's a specifically mutated almost harmless form of the virus. It's like claiming a scratch on your arm is the same as having an arm amptuated.

The male half of my family all have some form of autism. My nephew never looked us in the eye, not even at six weeks old. This was before the MMR. I don't believe that vaccins cause autism. I think it is a genetic lottery.

Same in Finland Hubbles but DD had hers at 12 months because we were going to the UK. They consider the UK to be a pretty high risk country because so many don't vaccinate wheras the MMR diseases have been wiped out here for ages.

Incidentally my brother had autism and he never had the MMR

Thanks everyone and Andrew Wakefield proved it obviously they took his licence from him because he exposed the amount of shit the pharma comes out with

Bollocks. Wakefield was a fraud. who faked his research in order to provide 'expert' evidence for a court case. In doing so he gave ammunition to credulous fools who now place their children in danger (and other people's children) because they are unable to understand that correlation is not causation. Wakefield's results have never been reproduced for a reason, but hey, the rest of the scientific community must be wrong.

But never mind. You can choose not to vaccinate if you want. Enough making that choice and we can have a rerun of multiple, totally avoidable, blind, brain damaged or dead children. Maybe then fools will finally understand why we invented and need vaccines in the first place.

If your worried you can request them to be spaced out or delay them but these are serious diseases, I used to work diagnosing them, someone below the age or unable to be vaccinated you would feel so sorry for them but if it was a choice you'd just think how awful the parents were exposing not only their child but others too, luckily a lot of my cases were negative but small outbreaks of measles do still happen and can have severe consequences in pregnancy

I think this is a troll anyway I'm not anti vaxx in first line then later on Andrew Wakefield is right and has proven it

Jasonandyawegunorts, yes thanks I do know that. I've been reading about vaccines since 2004 when my daughter ended up in A and E having lost consciousness after a DTP vaccine.

Attenuation of viruses is the bedrock of vaccine science.

No i am not a troll!

Anyway it's all gradually coming out now in the United States with the Thompson's and Zimmerman's whistleblowing on the CDC. It will take a while for the story to come to the UK 's public eye, but it will.

Troll!

I delayed until 15/16 months as the vaccine is slightly more effective then than at 12 months (because of residual maternal antibodies I think). I also spread out the vaccines to minimise side effects and because I'm not comfortable giving several doses of adjuvant simultaneously at a time when the immune system is still developing.

However, I wouldn't have been happy leaving it until nearer 5 as I think that leaves the child quite exposed to infection when they are young. Also there have been many studies into MMR and autism and no convincing link has been found. If it is a factor it is very rare, and the vast majority of children having the MMR are fine with it.