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How does this read? It's about B12 deficiency

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Katymac · 08/11/2015 23:42

I've basically written it because today I can - goodness knows what I should do with it; but I have a bit of insomnia (which as far as I can tell is the only down side of the B12 injection so far - & tbh I'll live with it!)

Today I cut my toe nails some were a bit ragged and some were very long- probably because I haven’t been able to reach easily for about 10 weeks. Hopefully I’ll get time to paint them in my “wonderful window”.

What’s a “wonderful window” I hear you ask (or at least I hope you do) – well it’s the time after I’ve had my B12 injection when I have a life; that would be the life the nurse giving me the injection one time told me I should be grateful for. At the time I told he it just made me resent the rest of my life.

I get nearly 2 weeks now after about 5 B12 injections – they happen every 12 weeks, so I have a 2 week “wonderful window” followed by 10 weeks of ‘poorliness’

So I can reach my toes, big deal – well it is when you can’t without a lot of pain, my husband shaved my legs last week as I couldn’t reach and I’d taken enough painkillers that day. What else can I do in my “WW”?

Well I can get dressed without pain and I have a greater choice of clothes because the seams and fabric don’t irritate the nerves in my skin, oh, & I can put on jumpers and things more easily as my shoulder can move more freely. I can wear shoes that fasten rather than slip-ons and tights are possible too.

I can walk up and down stairs without placing each foot on each stair so I don’t stand on one leg too long and when I get up in the morning I can walk without pain in my feet. I can carry things up and down stairs as my balance is better (I don’t trip over my own feet as much) and the pains in my hands have reduced so I can move them better and use scissors and can openers.

My joints hurt less (I still have pain) but my knees, ankles, elbows, shoulders all seem easier and in addition my long bones hurt less too; plus pressing on my joints & pressure points cause less pain-I love these 2 weeks. I take far less pain killers during this period than I do the rest of the time.

I don’t get pins & needles during my “WW”, I don’t get neuralgia, or those odd shooting pains that are random or that nerve pain that is so sharp I have to stop what I am doing just to hold that bit of me.

I can think (& type) much better and compose sentences without getting my colleagues to read them to ensure they make reasonable sense - during my “WW” I spell better too. Using systems diagrams is very hard when my brain takes so long to process stuff and feels all woolly and foggy but now I can plan and formulate an essay to explain how I feel.

I have no mouth ulcers - I can’t tell you how much pain mouth ulcers cause, last week my gums and tongue were sore too but this week they are fine….bleeding a bit but not sore – they bleed because when they are sore I can’t clean them very well…..so when they aren’t I scrub a bit harder.

I can eat! Really eat, food different types, milk, fruit even the odd egg (almond & coconut are still off limits but I can cope with that) – I’ve been FODMAPping (it’s an exclusion diet you know) for so long I hardly remember what a balanced diet is! I have less diarrhoea, less muscus, less pain, less blood in my stools it’s all good!!

Trying to fit my life into those 2 weeks is very hard, when I’m a bit poorly I can’t hold an intense or complicated conversation but as my GP surgery takes over 3 weeks to make an appointment by the time it comes around I’m too emotion and unstable to make sense…..and as for making an appointment while I’m poorly for when I’m well- sadly it’s beyond my comprehension. So I do all the business-y stuff I have to do & I try to have a bit of fun with my daughter & husband and I clear all my filing every 3 months or so (not sure why).

Basically I try to fit 3 months’ worth of life into those 2 weeks, my “Wonderful Window” you know the one that nurse said I should be grateful for. I love those two weeks, but then they start slipping away & all of a sudden it’s ages until my next injection.

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butterfly86 · 14/11/2015 21:56

I was told by someone not to push for a diagnosis of cf as that's it they blame everything on that so although it seems like a possibility for me-possibly brought on by the birth of my dd I am not even going to mention it.
Yes my bones hurt particularly my shin bones and breastbone, I haven't been offered AD's yet but when I first visited the doctor they blamed my tiredness on having a baby and my mood on postnatal depression I knew it wasn't that I thought I was going crazy! I get pins and needles in my feet mainly not all the time though I do get ibs too have done for a few years brought on by eating bread but for the last 2/3 weeks I've had diarreha (sp) which is unusual as I'm normally constipated. I don't think doctors know enough about it to be honest-mine had to google about it to check b12 rich foods etc!

Katymac · 14/11/2015 22:07

Try Vitamin D & Zinc (I take Zinc Gluconate as Zinc Sulphate upsets my tummy) The Vit D may help with the bone pain

I was diagnosed with CFS in 1995

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butterfly86 · 14/11/2015 22:17

I have been wondering what would be the best supplements to take I do take a b vitamin though, I had my vit d levels checked but will definitely take a supplement if it will help. The thought of it being cfs scares me as that means I will never feel normal again :(

Katymac · 14/11/2015 22:19

I take a Vit D spray from Holland & Barratt

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butterfly86 · 14/11/2015 22:20

Thank you I will give that a try

Katymac · 15/11/2015 12:10

I'm feeling more confident today, I have the BMJ article, my original blood test results & someone else has identical symptoms it can't be all in my mind Grin

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Utini · 15/11/2015 12:58

I have a relative with CFS, and have read a bit about methylation issues. I think it would be worth trying some methylfolate - this is the active form of folic acid. Some people with CFS can't convert folic acid into methylfolate very well, so it's worth supplementing the active form, and might make the B12 more effective.

I've also heard of people having success with high dose methylcobalamin (maybe 5000mcg or more) taken orally or sublingually (tuck it under your top lip and let it dissolve really slowly). Some brands seem to be a lot better than others so have a search on what's most effective - the ME/CFS forum phoenixrising has various discussions on this.

Or you could look at self injecting as you mentioned earlier. Some CFS people do this, and I bet there are a lot of people with pernicious anemia that do too. You could look for a pernicious anaemia forum - I think healthunlocked has one, they might be able to recommend a source for injectable B12 if you can't get a private prescription.

Katymac · 15/11/2015 15:00

The spray I take already is methylcobalamin on the additional Info page

So I'll look into Methylfolate

I worry about just 'buying' on the internet, I am a wuss

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Lonecatwithkitten · 15/11/2015 15:58

Katy the more you write the more it sounds like you have sjorgrens syndrome I have it as well as pernicious anaemia and coeliac disease.

puffylovett · 15/11/2015 16:39

Have any of you looked at Lyme disease symptoms with co infections of Bartonella? As the symptoms would also fit that..
I would also highly recommend finding a good functional medicine practitioner, who can organise more in depth testing. I've worked with people with Cfs / fm and had lots of success, everybody is different with different triggers so it really requires an individualistic approach.

For some the triggers have been heavy metals, for others its liver function / sulfation / methylation, for others working with the gut (SIBO, malabsorption) has worked wonders..

Bonkerz · 15/11/2015 16:53

Your post is interesting to me.
Doc found b12 deficiency 4 weeks ago after blood tests for what we thought was colitis.
Level was 89 so very low.
I didn't know anything about this deficiency. Gp put me on tablets daily and I've got to have new bloods done in Dec to see if it's absorption issue instead of diet.

Lots of small symptoms which on own I would never go docs for but now I wonder if they are all related.

Cramps in feet
Painful swollen ankles
Restless leg
Pins and needles and aching in arms
Forgetfulness
Dizziness and palpitations
Disturbed vision with pain behind eyes

I don't know if I should mention these to doctor or not.

Katymac · 15/11/2015 17:01

I keep being told (on-line not by a medic) that testing after supplementation is pointless - I don't know how true it is

The BMJ seem to agree with it

WRT sjorgrens syndrome if I still have scratchy eyes & mouth ulcers when everything calms down I'll worry about it Wink

Lymes was considered back in 95 & rejected by my first consultant

But I'd keep taking the supplements Bonkerz, & consider Vitamin D too

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puffylovett · 15/11/2015 21:46

Research has come on a fair old way since 95 though, there's a lot more info out there. The testing has a high degree of false negative though I think

Lonecatwithkitten · 15/11/2015 23:11

But Katy all your other symptoms are consistent with sjogrens too, it's not just dry eyes and mouth ulcers it is part of the same autoimmune group as lupus. Plus rarely do autoimmune diseases travel alone they usually hunt in packs.
I think you need to look beyond just B12.

Katymac · 16/11/2015 07:22

Maybe but tbh B12 is the first thing that improves my life, well apart from FODMAPs which is unsustainable

Nothing else has had a positive effect for any length of time

If I feel better I can maybe address why I was so ill - but as my GP surgery negates any proper investigation as I am 'depressed' with 'health anxiety' I can't see it happening any time soon. There is only so much fight in me (and most of it occurs just post my injection)

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Lonecatwithkitten · 16/11/2015 07:31

I get the depression my mum was told that for 25 years and the she was diagnosed with sjogrens her main presenting symptoms were foot pain and pain between her ribs.

Katymac · 16/11/2015 10:09

Well that was pointless

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Katymac · 16/11/2015 16:50

This has left me very unhappy & despondent; I have no idea how to proceed from here

Self-injecting despite my reluctance seems the only way to go

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Bonkerz · 12/12/2015 10:30

Had blood tests last week after taking 100mg of vit b12 for the last 12 weeks. Results still under 100. What happens next?

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