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The Downfall of the NHS.

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roopa1 · 16/10/2015 16:03

Perhaps you are aware, perhaps not.

Will you support your hospital doctors? Will you support the NHS?

Jeremy Hunt is proposing changes to contracts which will undermine and stretch our services.

We all already know that the NHS is currently struggling financially. With a large deficit, hidden from us by the government actively censoring facts: (www.theguardian.com/society/2015/oct/03/ministers-hiding-details-nhs-cash-crisis)

An alleged £8bn is due our way at some as yet undisclosed date to some as yet undisclosed areas of the NHS.

Sketchy.

Nevertheless, JH has decided to ensure we work longer hours for less pay by next year. Claims that there are not enough doctors at the weekend covering acute services are unfounded. Less than 1% of consultants opt out of on call work.

A seven-day service is not feasible without funding. Instead, funding is being removed and the NHS is being starved.

Instead of improving patient safety, it is in fact being compromised harshly.

Quotes that 11,000 excess deaths occur because of a lack of services is completely unfounded. This number was pulled from a study based on statistics from 2009-2010 which showed that 30-day mortality is significantly greater when admitted on the weekend. There has been NO INVESTIGATION as to the cause of this and instead the workers of the NHS are the ones being blamed.

Increased deaths could be for many reasons - trauma, accidents, incidents etc are more likely at the weekend. People wait longer to see a doctor if they are working during the week. Did the study include elective (non-emergency) admissions during the week for routine operations? If so this would skew the statistics to show increased mortality from emergency admissions over the weekend.

Essentially, there is no evidence to back JH's claims.

Instead, cover ups and misuse of data are pulling the wool over your eyes.

A junior doctor is any doctor in training not yet a consultant. Junior doctors are the ones who will help deliver your baby, who will do your caesarian section at 3am, who will hold your hand when telling you your loved one is seriously ill. We are not just 'junior'. We are a great part of the NHS and we are being devalued.

Many of us are in our 30's with many years of training yet ahead of us. Many are married, with children, paying for expensive courses and exams and studying for these exam in our spare hours. We sacrifice our social lives, sacrifice seeing our children at school plays, sacrifice weddings, funerals, relationships, personal health, mental health and even....in some cases....taking our lives because of the pressure.

The public do not expect us to pipe up, because we are compassionate. But we will. We want to be there to hold that hand, to deliver the baby, to operate on your father's cataracts, or stent that coronary artery. BUT WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT.

We will strike. We will leave.

The Downfall of the NHS.
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Badders123 · 16/10/2015 16:08

You have my support
But.I'm.afraid, along with many others I suspect, I have seen out.of hours care go rapidly downhill.
People HAVE died at weekends and between 6pm-9am due to.not being able.to access a Dr or being given poor care.
By all.means strike, you have my support, but when gps opted out.of providing decent out.of hours care, that's when a and e depts got too busy to.cope.

wonkylegs · 16/10/2015 16:21

Badders123 - access to GPs is a different subject than junior Dr contracts.
JH has used the 11000 deaths figure as a reason for changing the hospital Dr contracts. The authors of study actually said that they coudn't attribute the cause without further study and they also said that “It is not possible to ascertain the extent to which these excess deaths may be preventable; to assume that they are avoidable would be rash and misleading.”
Many other countries in the world with different healthcare structures have also observed the weekend effect. It's not just an NHS issue.
I'm not saying that GP out of hours doesn't need attention, it does but it's not part of the issue that's being debated. I think JH is deliberately muddying the waters as it serves his cause.

Badders123 · 16/10/2015 16:25

I think.you are right, but as you say the weekend effect is real. I have waited in a and e at the weekend for an ent Dr to see my son. He was covering 7 hospitals. We had a long wait Sad
I am very worried about this.
We seem to sleep.walking into the beginning of the end of the nhs.
Sad

TheFairyCaravan · 16/10/2015 16:45

How many more threads does there have to be about this?

Florriesma · 16/10/2015 16:53

Some of us have been shouting about nhs being eroded for years. In fact probaly since the time the last labour government was in power. They liked competition and pfi as I remember.
Don't get me wrong I am all for more efficiency. It's public money it should be spent responsibly.however I have lost count of the number of times over the last 10yr are were concerns have been raised and people have chosen to either ignore or spout the right wing ideology of the time Drs included. In fact some of the most vocal right wingers over the past 10years have been medical colleagues. Habiving now voted in the tories people are shocked that they are doing exactly what they've been talking about since 1997. In fact it's a continuation of 1997 policy as far as I can tell.
It is far too late to be shouting how unfair ot is and how terrible it is. Resign yourself to working for virgin like your nursing colleagues. We are stuck with this for the next 5 years.

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