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Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/ME/Fibromyalgia - for support

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Katymac · 17/09/2015 11:27

Hi all,

I've had a combination of these for a while; I have good days & bad days

The World Health Organisation (WHO) had re-designated CFS/ME as a neurological illness and CFSKate has loads of info about new research going on

I thought we needed a fluffy supportive and lovely thread - join in Grin

NO NEGATIVITY (apart from whinging about how crap you feel or how rotten people we encounter can be or how unfair it is that you have it)

OP posts:
sweetkitty · 01/04/2016 22:23

Calgiostro - poor you and how insensitive if your friend.

I've been not well on and off for oh a year at least, headaches, colds, sinusitis etc my friends think all my woes would be solved if I just ate some meat. I've been veggie for years some of my friends can't cope with it they think I live on lettuce and every illness I have is because I need meat.

LivingInMidnight · 01/04/2016 22:25

Cagliostro haha been there! At one point someone bought me special foot pads to wear during the night and told me they would cure me Hmm.

I think getting the diagnosis really helps too. Flowers

Cagliostro · 01/04/2016 22:31

Foot pads?! The mind boggles Confused

Thanks folks, I am sure she means well, she is lovely but has really bought into it I think. If she had messaged me with the testimonial or tagged me in it or whatever, I would have said something (in a nice way), but as it was just on her wall I've ignored it (as everyone else seems to do on all the many posts)

Hey Badders - fellow Frugaleer! Sorry I didn't twig when you said on the thread about being ill, I didn't realise you meant chronically so (that sounds weird but YKWIM). I really hope the ABs work, it's so bloody miserable when it just goes on and on isn't it?

moosemama · 01/04/2016 22:46

Hi Steve I am lucky in that I haven't been fully bedridden for any long periods of time since I was in my 20s, so over 20 years now. That was back in the days where it was still being referred to as 'Yuppie Flu' and other derogatory terms and for most people there was no way to get a proper diagnosis. I was stuck in bed for many months, having previously been very fit and hard working and it was a huge shock, but I did come through it eventually and gradually rebuilt my strength.

I did recover enough for pretty normal-ish function though and went on to have good and bad times over the years. I have been very fit and working out daily to barely functional and everything in between at various times over the past 20+ years, but for the most part I am mid-range and get by via planning/pacing and accepting that I need to be in control, even if that means saying no where I once would have said yes and letting people down sometimes.

My own family are very understanding about it, probably because lots of us have similar-ish issues, but my PILs don't get it at all and are sure I am just lazy and inconsiderate of their needs/wants/feelings. I have learned, for the most part to not invest in their opinion, which is borne out of both ignorance and refusal to respect me (and my doctors for that matter) enough to trust what I'm telling them is the truth.

Re-bound is the pits - and the 48 hr crash was the one that used to get me every time. I'd just be cheerfully telling dh how I thought I'd coped better with x,y,z this time, when suddenly it got me and I'd end up in bed for days on end. I've now learned to plan to do as little as possible the day after any event/trip/appointment and then organise someone to help or just plan to stay in bed the day after that. That does seem to help keep me ticking over, for the most part. Dh used to book the second day off work, rather than the day after, as that was always when I'd totally crash and not be able to do anything at all. These days his job means he often can't do that, which makes things harder to plan/organise.

I'm glad you found a better GP, the first one sounds hopeless.

We now don't know if what I have actually qualifies as CFS/ME or has all been various forms of dysautonomia, possibly relating to connective tissue disorder of some sort. I was recently diagnosed with POTs and am currently working with a cardiologist on trying to get my tachycardia under control to see if that helps with the exhaustion. Apparently there's something funky going on with my heart rhythm as well though, so will be having that properly checked out in a few weeks. It's a complicated picture as many people with CFS/ME also have POTs and because my care was so poor early on, we really don't know which came first. If we can control the tachy and the exhaustion improves that will tell us it's primary POTs rather than CFS/ME with POTs.

moosemama · 01/04/2016 22:54

Cagliostro not sure if we've met before, but hello anyway.

I never know whether to congratulate or commiserate when someone gets a diagnosis, as, as you said, it doesn't change anything, but it does help us to feel validated and mean we can legitimately shut up any naysayers.

I would have been just as angry at your FB friend. I lost count of the times I was told all I needed to do was take a decent multi-vitamin and that I'm only ill because I'm a vegetarian. Hmm

sweetkitty you are doing better than me. I haven't been able to walk mine for a few weeks now. I really miss it, but am hoping I'll be able to get back to it soon, especially if the new drug helps. Poor dogs are going to go short of walks this weekend, with dh working away and I feel so guilty. I can sit on a chair in the garden and fling tennis balls for them, but that's about it. It's a good job they're both lazy Lurchers. Sad

Just realised - I typed the paragraph above about 'vegetarian' comments before I saw your post. Glad it's not just me that attracts those sorts of comments.

Living I think I was offered some of those foot pads once. Were they the ones that are supposed to draw out toxins through the soles of your feet overnight? Needless to say, I politely declined.

VelvetGreen · 01/04/2016 23:38

I've been not well on and off for oh a year at least, headaches, colds, sinusitis etc my friends think all my woes would be solved if I just ate some meat. I've been veggie for years some of my friends can't cope with it they think I live on lettuce and every illness I have is because I need meat.

This is so odd but kind of reassuring. My current episode started about a year ago with a virus, and i'm currently ill with sinusitis, the worst i've had in my life. I've been vegetarian for 30 years - right about when my fibro symptoms started - and certain members of my family are convinced it's all down to my diet. They ignore that it was also the same time i had glandular fever and a traumatic road traffic accident in very quick succession.

That's the main value of this thread i think - just being able to talk to people who completely understand, and who don't think you're just a bit tired and achey, and doesn't everyone forget stuff sometimes etc etc. I actually cried a bit at finding people who understood my jaw issues - no one in rl ever hs, including hcps. So thank you.

Badders123 · 02/04/2016 08:00

Welcome Steve
Hi cag! Sorry to see you here but glad you have dx. Yes, people can be very unkind.
I've lost friends through being ill....and jobs
It's hard Sad
I'm hoping the meds work as dh is away for with work for a couple of days next week

Badders123 · 02/04/2016 08:01

I'm also thinking of going veggie funnily enough!
(Ds2 already is!)
Problem is I'm allergic to cheese s d every veggie recipe seems to include it!!!

Cagliostro · 02/04/2016 08:28

It just goes to show people will blame anything. I've been told that I'd get better if I stopped eating meat :o

sweetkitty · 02/04/2016 08:40

Bladders - I'm mostly vegan now and it's easy. You can get cheese substitutes. I find I actually prefer soya milk to cows now. I take a multivitamin with iron, co-enzyme c10, calcium + vit D, carnitine and make sure I eat protein with every meal.

moosemama · 02/04/2016 09:41

Badders I'm veggie and used to practically live on cheese, but these days eat very little of it. I get protein from eggs, a wide variety of nuts, avocado and eggs - and I do eat some quorn products occasionally.

The whole family is vegetarian and we all supplement with daily spatone, a good quality veggie specific multi-vitamin and vegetarian omega and vit d. We also have a mix of milled flaxseed, almonds, brazil nuts, walnuts & Co-Enzyme Q10 on top of porridge, yoghurts and salads. I also use Floradix if I start to feel at all depleted.

I have been looking into re-starting some of the mito-cocktail supplements, but can't really afford it just at the moment, so am trying to work out which one to try first.

LivingInMidnight · 02/04/2016 10:16

velvet Flowers Smile

moosemama yep those are the foot pads. There was also a miracle bracelet at one point. Fun times.

I'm veggie too. With the bad jaw and how fussy I am I'm a bit of a nightmare to feed tbh.

daisychicken · 02/04/2016 19:32

Oh... I wrote a long post and have just lost it ☹️ so this will be a shorter post..

Hello all the newbie and the oldies. It's hard coping with all the "if only you did/didn't do X then you'd be cured" comments, I also get "I've found the perfect job for you to do" erm.. I struggle to do basic housework or walk the dog round the block or even read a book, how on earth could you think i could do that?? Hmm

I strongly relate to the feeling that your life is on pause and I find it hard to feel that I am a contributor to my family when DH works his socks off to make sure we have enough money to live. And feeling judged by others because I have 2 children in full time education and I don't work doesn't help either. I've found that I've become even more private and introverted as time with this illness has passed because opening up, opens me up to comments and criticism.

I found this blog post the other day and I really liked the diagram because it helps you see clearly how you need to pace yourself. The spoon theory is a nice analogy but this to me was clearer. (I'll try and put the diagram in the next post)

daisychicken · 02/04/2016 19:35

Circles diagram

Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/ME/Fibromyalgia - for support
LivingInMidnight · 02/04/2016 20:10

Yy Daisy I was so much more open about stuff to begin with. I'm much more stoic about it all now, which means people don't offer me all their 'helpful' advice. On the other hand, now most people think I can't be bothered with them and/or I'm lazy or rude, and maintaining the stoic façade is exhausting.

Badders123 · 02/04/2016 20:37

Yep.
I manage the house, the kids, my mum, I work (very) pt....dh works away so I'm on my own then.
It's hard. It's really hard, and i think dh just doesn't get it lately. I hate asking for help and he has let me down badly a few times but after I had a meltdown last year (he was a complete dick to me) I told him he could shape up or ship.out.
I found out today one of my colleagues has been in hospital with suspected swine flu! Am quite glad I started taking the meds now!
Ds2 had a bad abdominal migraine attack tonight :( I'm so tired of it all.

moosemama · 04/04/2016 12:43

Morning, hope everyone got through the weekend ok?

I had a scary episode of tachy when lying down on Saturday. Ended up having to call my parents to dash over, as I was on my own with the dcs. It was ok, nothing terrible happened, but I was worried they might panic if I passed out or something. Took a good couple of hours for my heart-rate to return to normal and Mum refused to leave as she said I looked like death . I think it's just withdrawal/rebound from the bisoprolol though, as I've read up a bit and this seems pretty common, usually lasting for a couple of weeks.

In the middle of the night, last night, I had a particularly nasty episode. No-one has yet worked out what these episodes are. They were initially thought to be neurological, but from logging when and how they present and reading up, I think I'm starting to think, bizarrely, it's related to my GERD and possibly irritation of the vagus nerve. They're horrible and quite scary when they happen and leave me absolutely exhausted afterwards, so we're having a pj day today.

woodlandwanderer · 04/04/2016 12:59

Thanks to every single one of you on here for sharing your experiences for us. Been too ill to post, but reading this and other posts has made me feel less alone in the last 2.5 years of being mainly housebound with ME/CFS and possibly POTS.

Sorry to hear about scary tachycardia moosemama. I can relate. (sorry not to name everyone....)

Using a spoon or two to share this link from my bed. Comments underneath also helpful.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/apr/04/chronic-fatigue-syndrome-cfs-taken-seriously

Wishing everyone with this debilitating illness strength and hope Flowers

Badders123 · 04/04/2016 13:27

Hello woodland! Flowers
Moose...is it atrial fibrillation rather than run of the mill tachycardia? I've had that. Nasty Sad
Well the abx are making me feel rough but not coughing now but poor ds2 seems to have it now!
Been to take the boys for haircut and to get their feet measured. Just dentists later on and that's it for todAy!

moosemama · 04/04/2016 16:00

Hi woodland so sorry you are so ill at the moment, glad the thread is helping.

Badders no, it's sinus tachycardia, I have a regular rhythm, but the rate is high and takes forever to come down. I usually only get it when standing (although I often have arrhythmia then as well) but since coming of the bisoprolol I've been getting random episodes of tachy for no apparent reason, even when lying down resting. From what I've read, it seems to be pretty normal for a couple of weeks after coming off it. I've also started getting palpitations in my neck on and off - again only since coming off the bb, whereas I don't generally feel palpitations, even when my heart is going like the clappers. The only thing I usually feel is the thump after a skipped beat and I feel that in my chest, not my neck usually.

I did feel dire on Saturday though. I could feel myself slipping away and was really worried I was going to fully collapse in front of the dcs, but luckily sent them all upstairs for computer time just before it got worse. I was definitely on the point of blacking out, not like my POTs faints, it felt much more like losing consciousness than fainting, if that makes any sense to anyone else but me, but I didn't in the end. I was just very slurry and not quite 'here', iyswim.

You have had a much busier and more productive day than me. We are all still in pjs, I have done precisely, er ... nothing and the dcs are trying to drive me insane by watching back to back episodes of The Adventures of Gumball. Hmm Only 5 minutes to computer time and some peace and quite though. Grin

Badders123 · 04/04/2016 16:33

I've just re read my message and I'm embarrassed - "run of the of the mill" tachycardia is pretty unpleasant! Didn't mean to minimalise your symptoms Flowers
Been to dentists and I need a filling.
Sigh.

moosemama · 04/04/2016 17:04

I didn't read it like that at all Badders I knew what you meant. AF must be so scary, sinus tachy is bad enough, but at least it settles on it's own, given a bit of peace and quiet and rest which is of course in abundance during the school holidays - not.

I really need to go to the dentist. I broke a tooth weeks ago, left it because it wasn't painful and now it's starting to hurt. Hmm Thing is, I need a crown on the tooth next to it as well and it's going to be £££'s - and I am terrified of dentists, not least of all because local anaesthetics don't work on me. [wuss emoticon]

Somehow managed to miss the bit in your post where you said your abs semm to be working but making you feel rotten. Why does the cure always have to be as bad, if not worse, than the disease? How much longer are you on the abs for?

Poor ds2, hope he can fight it off more easily and feels better soon.

fusspot66 · 04/04/2016 17:06

Sorry I haven't RTFT but I just read this in the Guardian and sent it to my friend with CFS/ME.
www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/apr/04/chronic-fatigue-syndrome-cfs-taken-seriously?CMP=fb_gu

fusspot66 · 04/04/2016 17:07

Oops
Woodland wanderer already shared it!Blush

Badders123 · 04/04/2016 17:12

I had a LOT of spendy work done last year and lost the Damn tooth anyway Angry
Currently watching guardians of the galaxy with dc....chris Pratt and his pelvic sorcery Grin

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