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Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/ME/Fibromyalgia - for support

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Katymac · 17/09/2015 11:27

Hi all,

I've had a combination of these for a while; I have good days & bad days

The World Health Organisation (WHO) had re-designated CFS/ME as a neurological illness and CFSKate has loads of info about new research going on

I thought we needed a fluffy supportive and lovely thread - join in Grin

NO NEGATIVITY (apart from whinging about how crap you feel or how rotten people we encounter can be or how unfair it is that you have it)

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PacificMouse · 21/10/2015 09:22

Good luck with it Hey. Its bloody hard work when you are on your own.

Things are very stressful here. Two parents evening (and obvioulsy I went on my own) and two children who are struggling for very different reasons.
The stress of it all doesn't help at all (I'm sure my consultant said that usually at the start of ME you have a virus or something AND a very stressful situation).
Dh is back on Friday. Poor man might find that his full on work trip was actually more like a hols compare to home. I feel like I'm going to collapse anytime soon.

mummylovescake1981 · 21/10/2015 11:48

Started shivering yesterday and started with a headache and blocked nose and sinuses. Feel like poo today. Not done anything except drink warm tea and take beechams all in one.... need to take the dog for a walk really but its raining too..... got to take my eldest to 6th form open evening tonight... omg I feel old!!! Does anyone find that they feel worse when the weather is colder?

fuzzpig · 21/10/2015 16:57

Yes definitely mummy the cold really makes my hands hurt in particular. Doesn't help that our heating is pretty much non-existent (storage heaters... useless).

Anyway I haven't caught up yet but I was signed off for another 2 months today. 2 months. Jeez. In particular it means that I won't be at work for this amazing event that was my idea, my 'baby' IYSWIM, everyone is being so lovely and reassuring me that I still get credit for it - but that's not really the point, I just wish I was there for it :( and they are saying I can be involved next year (it's proved so popular it will be annual!) but TBH I can't see me still being employed by then if things don't change soon. At least they are letting me be involved from a distance which is helping, I'm doing stuff for it on the laptop.

Lovely lovely colleague offered to take DD to Brownies from now on as her DD goes too and we live very near each other so I'll just walk her round there with her booster seat. Saves me a trek (the group had to move and now it's a bus ride and a walk away). DH picks her up on the way home from work. I don't know anyone from Beavers yet so wouldn't feel able to ask. TBF normally DH is off on Monday evenings so he usually takes him.

It occurred to me that I don't think I can really call this a relapse anymore. I think it's just the new normal :( I'm finding it hard to see beyond it.

HeyMacWey · 21/10/2015 17:11

Hope you feel better soon mummy - make sure you drink lots of water.

Fuzz two months will give you some breathing space to get back to your old 'normal'. Don't be disheartened - you can concentrate on you rather than rushing yourself back to work. I know what you mean about seeing other people work on your projects - but your health is more important.

My work meeting went ok - I still have a job, its just whether they can accommodate any return to work on skeleton hours. I've been honest with them about my limitations so we'll see what they come up with. Am exhausted for now though. Have spent more time in bed this week than I have for the last few weeks - am trying to conserve energy - and it's warmer.

I have raynauds too so get very cold hands - doesn't seem to have affected my feet yet. I'm back in my uniqlo thermal tops and fleece lined leggings!
I've been eyeing up electric blankets

Just parent's evening to get through :o

fuzzpig · 21/10/2015 18:07

Ooh fleece lined leggings! I wore leggings under my jeans today :o which was quite lucky as when I saw the GP she asked to check all my lymph nodes - at least I could keep the leggings on!

I'm glad you were honest at your meeting. Thanks

icclemunchy · 21/10/2015 18:18

Fleece lined leggings sound amazing!

HeyMacWey · 21/10/2015 21:22

I found them in TKmaxx - last year I picked up some fleeced lined tights from primark (I think) which have lasted well - would recommend!

Have also been eyeing up heated blankets for when I need a day in bed but don't want to turn the heating on.

fuzzpig · 22/10/2015 01:05

I loooove my electric blanket. Well actually it's more of a fitted sheet so is under me rather than on me IYSWIM. It's BRILLIANT. Helps me sleep as well as helping pain.

Weird thing happened at the GP today. I found out I have fibromyalgia according to my notes. No GP has ever mentioned it to me - I've long thought FM might be a more suitable DX (or at least an additional one) as pain is far worse than fatigue and it's worst in a lot of the trigger points.

And, erm, trigger warning for the post below, sorry - please skip if you need:

fuzzpig · 22/10/2015 01:07

I got really really close to self harm the other night. I used to do this a lot - even spent a while in a psychiatric unit as a teen - but stopped when I had DCs except for a couple of slip ups. Anyway, I didn't, and I won't, but it's really freaked me out that I was wanting to so much. Because it wasn't for the old reasons. I mean I'm still depressed and anxious and all that, but this was because of physical pain. I was in so much pain that I wanted to cause myself pain. Because the sting from cutting (sorry) would have been a new focus and something I could control, and a distraction from the other pain. It just feels so messed up that I was feeling like that.

Katymac · 22/10/2015 07:38

Oh Fuzzpig, how sad you feel that bad/overwhelmed Sad

Do you need to see the GP again

Sending strength & love

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HeyMacWey · 22/10/2015 10:28

Fuzzpig - you're not alone - towards the end of one particularly long relapse I started to feel v suicidal. I know what you mean about having some control over something, as opposed to the pain and illness which is so beyond our control. To a certain extent i do this with my diet. I think the unpredictability of this illness makes it so hard to live with - one minute you feel like you're on top of it then the next day you're in pain and can't work out the trigger for it - my occupational health woman said 'the only thing predictable about cfs/me is it's unpredictability'.
Perhaps have a chat with your GP. I'm on the waiting list for some interpersonal therapy which should help me come to terms with my new life.

PacificMouse · 22/10/2015 15:38

fuzz I get what you are saying re having some pain to distract you from the pain. It's like a relief from how constant the pain is.

Can I ask, how much good is stopping work for 2,3, 6 months making? Have you found that it really helps getting your energy back and then having recovered from a relapse, you can start again?
Being self employed, I don't have the possibility to go off sick. I've not been wise so havent yet taken an insurance (my income to start with meant it wasn't worth it) so I will loose the full income. BUT .... I'm starting to wonder if a break isn't the only way for me to recover from the current situation. I'm going to ask my consultant next time I see him but was wondering about your experience about it.

AliceInUnderpants · 22/10/2015 16:24

Just marking place to come back and read later.

I'm 31, a single parent to two children with ASD and ADHD, and I have a diagnosis of Fibromyalgia. We are still currently trying to rule out the possibility of MS.

HeyMacWey · 22/10/2015 16:48

pacific I've been off for over a year now and what I noticed was that I've started to get energy to do the day to day stuff and having a reasonable quality of life, rather than working and spending time recovering from work and not being able to do anything else round the home, cook dinner etc. I'm wondering what's going to have to give on the home front to enable me to go back to work and not take a backward step. I couldn't have carried on living like that as I felt that I was just getting worse and worse and didn't want to live that life for the next 10 years. I've got income protection insurance but me/cfs isn't covered. My esa is due to come to an end after xmas as I'm on contributions based. I still haven't had my assessment.

HeyMacWey · 22/10/2015 16:53

Hi alice - the symptoms of the two can be so similar. Hopefully they'll be some useful info for you on here - can't be easy with two as a sp.

Yseulte · 22/10/2015 17:15

Hiya I have CFS/FM.

I would urge anyone to get tested for POTS and autonomic dysfunction.
I had some tests for this in the last year, and I've learnt so much from it.

fuzzpig · 22/10/2015 17:21

Welcome Alice :) it seems very common for parents with these illnesses to have children with ASD. Staggeringly so - I've noticed it in all the other support groups I've been in. There are surprising links between the two - CFS has even been described as the physical manifestation of autism. Bizarre but actually kind of makes sense to me - when I saw a psychiatrist he said that my anxiety and rituals had literally exhausted me into chronic illness. Sorry a bit of a bizarre way of saying hello to you! Blush But it's on my mind - I have my own autism assessment in a couple of weeks. I hope your tests are done soon and that MS is ruled out. Thanks

Pacific I wish I knew. This is the longest by far that I've been off in one stretch. When I had a big relapse before, we had the obvious solution of reducing my hours (I had just started FT when the illness really kicked off - not a coincidence of course), which they allowed. We first went to 16 hours - 4x 4hr shifts - but found that 3 consecutive shifts still knocked me out. So I then went permanently down to 12, and that worked really well for well over a year. But then I flared up massively earlier this year - I think probably another virus tipped me over - and it's just not going anywhere. They can't reduce my hours again, and they can't give me any more 'reasonable adjustments' without me basically not fulfilling my job description anymore. So there's nowhere left to go with it.

I am very lucky that I work for the council so being public sector I've had more protection in terms of sick pay etc. My DH had to be signed off long term when he had a prolapsed disc and he (retail manager) was out on his ear by this time. I'm horrified (but sadly, not all that shocked IYSWIM) that CFS isn't covered under income protection. That's awful, and yet another indication of how this illness is STILL viewed by many :( Angry

Anyway, I really don't know if this long term leave is going to make a blind bit of difference. I am just so... done. I love my work but the physical aspect means that even when I'm not in relapse mode, I am sore and exhausted - often to the point of tears - after 4 measly hours. They were very surprised when I told them that because as you all know, you put a brave face on and when someone casually asks 'how are you' you just say 'good' even when you're far from it, because you don't want to be seen as a grumpy, negative person all the time, and you aren't sure if anyone actually cares about the real answer anyway, it's just small talk.

Oh heck I'm waffling now sorry. Ranting, rather. I just feel like I can't keep fighting to work anymore, it's wearing me down. In particular - I stay off for another 2 months or whatever, maybe I get better and recover enough to go back. But what about next time? Because there WILL be a next time. And another, and another. As Hey said, we can only predict that it will be unpredictable. And it just goes round again, me feeling like shit for letting the team down, feeling embarrassed and scared of what they're all saying about me because I'm off AGAIN, wondering if anyone would actually even notice if I left. Going through meeting after meeting.

I'm not going to quit but TBH I'm not going to fight anymore either. I wouldn't blame them in the slightest for letting me go. I have options - not to earn a big wage, but basically I can teach a bit from home. So it depends on getting enough pupils. But the hourly rate is actually more than double what I earn in my day job, and it's totally flexible which is worth even more than that, I think. But of course no protection.

Thank you all for the kind words about my previous post BTW. It's much appreciated. Thanks I did consider talking about it with the GP but got sidetracked in my appointment as we had so many other things to get sorted. I am waiting for a meeting with the local CFS clinic anyway and I know that involves therapy so I will talk about it there. I did see though that in this clinic, they seem to use a different criteria, and imply that a history of severe mental health issues rules out CFS Shock I'm pretty sure that's why my previous GP refused to refer me there when I was first ill, and insisted on sending me to St Barts instead - he knew I wouldn't have had any help from the local one.

I'm waffling again, sorry. Been resting, going to try and play piano a bit although my hands are cold - need to dig out the fingerless gloves again. Although I am also tempted by pressure gloves (often used for arthritis) has anyone tried that?

PacificMouse · 22/10/2015 17:49

Thank you all.
ATM I'm working about 18 hours a week over 2.5 days. I know I'm finishing too late (7.00pm) so I'm looking at finishing an hour earlier and see if that helps.
It's hard because I love my job and that's what keeps me sane. But at the same time, it makes me worse.

PacificMouse · 22/10/2015 17:52

fuzz you know what, in the last few years, DH has self diagnosed with AS, dc2 is also probably on the spectrum (I'm looking at restarting some private diagnosis for him atm) and dc1 is g&t, with all the issues coming with it (bored, feeling down etc...).
That's one thing that my consultant commented on at our first consultation.
So YY to ME being the sign of autism in the family. It can be exhausting.

AliceInUnderpants · 22/10/2015 18:13

fuzzpig Very interesting the alleged link between the two, I'm actually awaiting on my psychology referral coming through after recently asking my GP for referral for autism assessment

fuzzpig · 22/10/2015 18:19

Yep I'm pretty certain that my social anxiety and everything that comes with (what I am pretty sure is) ASD is what contributed massively to the first flare up. It wasn't just that I physically wore myself out when I went full time, it was the fact that I was around people ALL DAY. It was hell. And I loved the job, and my colleagues, and I surprised myself by actually enjoying the customer service aspect. But going from 3 part shifts a week to 5 full ones, it was so hard, I had no respite. I was happy when I had a job that meant I could hole up in a workroom for an hour by myself, but when I had shifts that were all on service points, I just wanted to cry, and the anxiety that came with it, checking myself all the time, paranoia about whether I'd made a mistake - it was, indeed, exhausting. When I first went FT I also had to start doing Saturdays and that was so hard because it was a lot busier. I described going through the doors from the staff area to the public area as being like opening a hot oven. I can feel crowds like that. Nobody understood what I was on about though. Blush Now back at PT it's not so bad and I really love the customer service bit again because I know I only have a short shift. I do get really exhausted by conversation still (not written though, I can waffle for hours on paper as you may have noticed...) - for example if I'm on the bus and someone I know gets on and chats to me for the whole journey, I cry when I get off, because it has worn me out and I've lost my rest time IYSWIM.

icclemunchy · 23/10/2015 23:18

Sorry I'm going to have a moan. Family members funeral today and at he wake it was like fibro bingo.

I had "well we all get tired you just have to on with it"
"Surely you can't take all those painkillers and stilkl be ill"
"Well you don't look ill"
" oh my aunt Mary's cousins sisters dog had that, she works a 60 hour week"
"Maybe if you try harder to do thngs you'll find you can do it"

AngryAngry currently laying in a bed that's not mine in far much pain to sleep yet so exhausted in not sure of my now name

AndNowItsSeven · 23/10/2015 23:28

Just want to join the thread if that's ok. I have Fibro, and arthritis. Two of my dc have asd, i am not sure if there is a link?
Really struggling with intense burning pain in my feet and hands. Does anyone else have this? And does anyone have any tips?

SofiaAmes · 24/10/2015 00:17

oh icclemunchy so sorry you had to listen to all of that. It's the "but he doesn't look ill" one that really gets me about ds. Is there a special way that mentally ill people with mitochondrial disease are supposed to look? I think I missed that in the parenting instruction booklet. I feel like pinning his genetic testing, a tally of emergency room visits and the list of medications he takes on his chest before he goes out each day!

fuzzpig · 24/10/2015 13:32

Welcome Seven! Can't help with the burning pain, mine is more muscle/joints.

Iccle jeeeez what utter knobs to say those things to you. Good thing the bingo wasn't a drinking game, you'd still be drunk now. Sorry you've not had more understanding from people :(

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