MMR

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This topic has probably been done to death, but dd has now reached the age where her appointment has come through the post, and I was wondering what have other mums done, if you had the single jabs don'e which clinic did you use?? Originally I was planning to have the single vacs done, strangely the clinic reccommends dd be over thirteen months whereas with the MMR the appointment comes at just 12 months....
From what I remember of my own experience, I think I personally was about three when I had the measles jab and then eleven when I had the Reubella jab, I don't recall ever having one for mumps but must dig out my old medical records when I'm next at my mothers. Please don't get mad at me for being hesitant over this, my dd is the most important part of my life......

absolutely agree Rebi with that Rebi. MMR damaged autism usually seems to be very bad (although they often make good recoveries - not cure- with treatment).

There are 2 types of egentics involved as well.

1. the aspie in the family type- often seems to pass down the male line

2. the dodgy immune system type. We have that- no autism/AS in the family at all but absolute reams of automimmunity (diabetes type 1, Ms, weird liver things, gout, bad asthma and eczema- all in close relatives of dh) This dodgy immune system type seems to be more susceptible to vaccination damage as well- which makes sense I guess.

oh and the dodgy immune systme type seems to be the ones who repsond well to diet and other biological interventions as well.

not sure about the male line actually- maybe its just more obvious in the men- but definitely there are families where there is a lot of AS etc in the family. We are not like that at all though.....

Thank you Jimjams. You have explained that really well. Do you think/know if there is another 'Autism just out of the blue unconnected to anything but MMR' type? Or do most cases fall into those two categories?

lol Jimjams re: male line! Of course the females in our family haven't been at all affected (tongue firming in cheek).

I agree that it seems that females can mask better. We had a woman come to our meeting, who is married with kids and a nurse, who was only diagnosed at 42. I have 5 years to go...

well there are things like Retts- found only in girls - and childhood disintegrative syndrome where a regressions occurs quite late. These must have quite a trong genetic component though.

Genes generally interact with the environment- and I guess many things could act as an environmental trigger- given a particular genetic predisposition. My son's regression followed a natural infection with herpes and a lot of antibiotic treatment. But he obviusly had a genetic predisposition. It's only my belief that he had a series of environmental hits that made him as bad as he is- that has made me brave enough to have a third child really. If I thought we were "purely genetic" as such then I would have stopped after having ds2. I couldn't cope with another seriously autistic child. Of course no guarantees but we will do our best to reduce the risk by avoiding potential triggers (as we did with ds2). This doesn't mean I won't give antibiotics or vaccinations etc- just thatI have to be 100% certain the benefits outweigh our risks. Like davros says when I look at cheeky ds2 throwing a strop and having a normal toddler tantrum I'm not going to do anything to risk that. And our family is defintiely the dodgy immune type- so we are more at risk than Joe Public (or even aspie in the family type).

This is from an interview with William Walsh the guy behind the metallothionein (MT) theory. Can't send you to a webpage as its from a pdf file but feel free to contact me if anyone wants a copy.

"How does this relate to growing
con-cerns that some vaccines are
caus-ing autism?
Until recently, most childhood vac-cines
contained a mercury-compound
additive used as a preservative. Many
expectant mothers are also given flu
shots that contain mercury. Children with
a genetic MT protein dysfunction would
be expected to be hypersensitive to
mercury.
Also, MT is involved in the develop-ment
of the immune system. A dysfunc-tion
in MT might well result in hyper-sensitivity to the viruses in a vaccine, especially if several vaccines are bundled together like the MMR"