Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

General health

Mumsnet doesn't verify the qualifications of users. If you have medical concerns, please consult a healthcare professional.

Anyones ds had a circumcision for medical reasons?

44 replies

cadbury · 08/11/2006 14:27

Ds has a problem with his foreskin and the end of his willy is pretty sore a lot of the time. The consultant we saw today thinks it would be a good move to have a circumcision. Wondered if anyone had any experience of this that they could tell me about?

OP posts:
cadbury · 09/11/2006 10:35

thats a relief to hear Jellyhead

OP posts:
jellyhead · 09/11/2006 10:39

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

cadbury · 09/11/2006 10:55

I hope they offer us that.

OP posts:
throckenholt · 09/11/2006 11:08

my Ds at about 3.5 had a GA (not for this particular thing) - he coped with it with no problems.

I went into the pro-op room with him - he sat on my lap and they injected his hand (I think) - within 5 seconds he was asleep - no more fuss than that - even the injection didn't seem to bother him.

He was under for about 45 mins, and woke up partially after about another 20 mins, but took ages to wake up properly (about 3 hours I think). Once he had eaten and drunk something they let us go home. All done as a day op.

cadbury · 10/11/2006 08:19

Thanks for the reassurance
Feeling a bit less scared about it now. Just waiting to get the date from the dr now. Hopefully, it will be before baby arrives!

OP posts:
ernest · 10/11/2006 13:40

mine didn't react to the GA badly at all. I was worse affected, blubbing like an idiot. I nkew I would. When he came round the nurse came over and said, 'oh, you've woken up then?' and he said very indignantly ' I haven't slept at all!' and was eating snacks pretty much straight away. I changed the dressings every day and the stiches dissolved themselves. He didn't have any particular bother with it..

I would be surprised (and concerned) if he wasn't offered a light general.

We also went in before, met the doctors, had a look round. They even gave ds 4 different pain killers to taste so he could choose the one he liked best & he remembered and so was really chuffed they gave him his favourite. I got him a present (new game boy game) to play in the hospital (game boy good thing to bring as can play in bed and distracts them) and he remembers why he was given it and actually has reasonably pleasant memories of the experience.

Oh, and no poos or vomitting here.

ernest · 10/11/2006 13:45

when's baby due? Have you mentioned it? Dunno if it would make any difference, but it might if you ask to have it done before baby. It would make it easier for both of you. I seem to remember our 2 ops were kindly scheduled around baby arrivals and house moves.

Bumblelion · 10/11/2006 13:46

My son also had to have it done for medical reasons - repeated balinitis. I didn't really want him to have it done but it was the only option ... there again, his father also had to have it done at roughly the same age for the same reason. He was 8 at the time, now nearly 10. The operation went fine although he was sore afterwards. He did have a little bit of bleeding whilst still in hospital but nothing too bad. Came out that afternoon. Spent a few quiet days (remember putting large books either side of his legs to keep the quilt raised) and now everything is fine.

cadbury · 12/11/2006 19:27

ernest - baby is due in early Feb and te consultant knows that. He said he will try to fit us in on this side of the new year

Bumblelion - thanks for the books tip, I'll remember that. Although getting ds to sit still for more than 2 seconds might be tricky.

OP posts:
Mommy2Brendan · 16/11/2006 01:48

I'm wondering have you been told to 'retract as in pull back the foreskin by doctors if so my son doctorr told me just wipe on the outside stating it could damage and cause infections if forced back because he should retract his foreskin on his own & no worries about him not doing it through his childhood the only time shall worry if he's not retracted by age sixteen .

Here are some possible natural alternatives warm sitz bath, collodial silver, or even a bath with a couple drops of tea tree oil. Did your doctor ever culture the tip of your son's foreskin ?

Women's east cream works great for 'yeast infections.

cadeauxbury · 04/12/2006 08:42

Thanks for those suggestions M2B. I had been told to leave it alone and haven't tried myself. It's ds that has been trying and complaining of it hurting. The pead when he was born said it was far too tight and they were looking at doing it then but I out my foot down. It hasn't loosened much in the last 3 and a half years.

Actually, he's having it done this afternoon. I'm feeling a bit gittery about it but that's just me generally at the moment. He doesn't seem bothered by hospitals which I guess is just as well! I'll have him off for the week to recover. I'm sure it will be fine.

suzywong · 04/12/2006 08:52

Oh lawks!
I am reading this thread with intrest and despair as it looks as thought ds1 will have to have the same thing. His foreskin does not retract at all yet he has never had any soreness or infections. He's 5.5yrs.

We mentioned it to the doctor who prescribed Betnovate on account of its steroid qualities helping to thing the skin. We are to apply it morning and night and encourage ds1 to try and "pop his willy out".

Does that sound OK to you? Do you think it will work???

suzywong · 04/12/2006 08:55

GP said to try this for 6 months as they usually have a growth spurt at 7 and the foreskin retracts.

I am distraught at the psychological repercussions of sending ds1 off to be mutilated if it doesnt work. Would it leave more than one kind of scar?

Don't mean to offend anyone but am V worried ( and please don't anyone kick off at me as this is a for medical reasons thread and presumably if any of us believed it was the right thing to do to a baby we wouldn't be posting on it. OK?

peegeeinapeartree · 04/12/2006 12:43

okay, getting worried now..

ds is 7 and has never attempted (as far as I know) to pull his foreskin back.
Have never asked him too either - do I have to check he can do it?? Or just leave it?

He has had a bit of redness once, but only the once...

Advise please!!!

TIA

rydercup · 04/12/2006 13:19

Hello - my little boy is 4 and has not attmpted to pull his back either. I too get worried about it...but from all the reading I have done.....you should never force it....and if there is no problem with weeing /infections, then it is likely that it will retract on its own eventually.

cadeauxbury · 04/12/2006 18:07

Hello folks.

Just got back. In the end, the consultant said he would see if it could be retracted under anesthetic and if so, wouldn't perform the circumcision. Thankfully, that was what happened. Ds was only in there for 15 mins or so although it took him well over an hour to come down from the major tantrum he had when he woke up. He feels a bit sore but at least there is no wound. They said there was a lot of cleaning up to do under the skin which would have only got worse if we hadn't gone through with this.

Suzy, I think the steroiid cream is your best bet as a first call. It's a really emotive subject and I can understand why and how you feel about it. I've had the same questions. I'm grateful to have a sensitive consultant who gave us choices and suggestions - we trusted him as a result.

cadeauxbury · 04/12/2006 18:12

peegee - we were only ever on the look out about ds's willy becasue they said at birth that it was unusually tight and then he started to get very sore and I noticed the ballooning effect when he weed. If your ds isn't getting infections and can clean it ok then it might not be an issue if he can't retract it. On the other hand, he might be able to and you aren't aware of that. Obviously, I'm no expert about this and have only my own (ds's) experience to go on so speak to your ds and the dr if you are concerned.

Amakanata · 20/12/2006 15:56

Hi everybody! A friend sent me a link to this thread because I have been providing information on this issue for years and have been able to help many Moms with genital problems with their boys. I hope no one minds.

In all of my years in providing this help, so far, none of the boys have been circumcised although many of them had gotten a recommendation for a circumcision and all of them are happy and healthy today. There have been more than a hundred.

Many issues have been brought up here. Please bear with me and I?ll address them one by one

Phimosis: This is also called ?tight foreskin.? The normal condition of the foreskin of young boys is tight. This is by design to keep things out of the foreskin. At some time later in life, this condition (called developmental phimosis) resolves all by itself to allow for retraction. The exact time this happens is not known and there is much disagreement as to when it happens. Of a half dozen studies I have seen, they range from 2/3 being retractile at 3 years old to 70% not being retractile until after puberty. All of the studies state that normal retraction doesn?t come for some boys until late teens. In almost all cases, a diagnosis of tight foreskin or phimosis is a false and erroneous diagnosis.

There is also a rare condition called pathological phimosis. This is a result of injury to the foreskin either by long term untreated infections or as a result of physical trauma. The physical trauma is almost always the result of forcibly retracting the foreskin before the normal time has come. There is a band of tissue surrounding the tip of the foreskin called the preputial sphincter or frenar band that keeps the tip of the foreskin closed. In older boys and men, this band is elastic. In young boys, it is not elastic. In young boys repeatedly retracting the foreskin tears this non-elastic tissue and that can cause tears in the band which are repaired with scar tissue and scar tissue is not elastic and can not be replaced as the time for retraction comes. Long term untreated infections can also cause scar tissue to form but it forms in the skin surface. Although it is very rare, this can require circumcision to correct. Almost all cases of pathological phimosis can be resolved with a steroid cream but this should be reserved for boys in their mid to late teens. In younger boys, it will temporarily loosen the foreskin but it will return to it?s normal tight condition when the medication is ended and it can cause a case of normal developmental phimosis to convert to a case of pathological phimosis.

If a boy can urinate freely, there is no need for worry. The foreskin opening can be so tight that the end can not be viewed or it can be loose enough to easily view the tip of the penis and it can change from day to day from one to the other.

Ballooning: Ballooning of the foreskin is a normal in probably 10% to 15% of boys. The process of the body preparing for retraction of the foreskin requires two steps. The foreskin is bonded to the glans (the head of the penis) just like the finger nails are bonded to the nail beds and the tissue is the same, synechia or the epithelium layer. As the time for retraction approaches, this bond dissolves on it?s own and the non-elastic tissue in the preputial sphincter is replaced with elastic tissue. It can happen in either order. Ballooning is just evidence that the boy is nearing the time for retraction and the normal adhesions have dissolved before the non-elastic tissue has been replaced with elastic tissue. No treatment is required for ballooning, just time. That time may be several years.

Adhesions: Adhesions are completely normal. All boys have them at birth and in time, they will dissolve all on their own. Adhesions should never be forcibly separated!

Infections: Boys will occasionally have infections but girls also have infections. The difference is that girls are never treated with surgery. This is purely because of cultural acceptance of circumcision for boys and a rejection of surgical correction for girls. Boys and girls genital infections are the exact same bacteria or fungals (yeasts) and boys respond equally well to medication as girls. There is simply no reason for boys to be circumcised for genital infections.

The main reason for reports of repeated genital infections in boys is because the infection has not been accurately diagnosed and treated. Many doctors will do a visual examination and make a diagnosis and prescription. Often, the prescription is one that is not effective on the particular bacteria or fungal but does succeed in resolving the symptoms for a few weeks or months but the symptoms eventually return. This appears to be separate infections when in reality it just that the symptoms have returned.

The only way to get an accurate diagnosis is with a culture. The physician will take a sample from the tip of the foreskin with a cotton swab and transfer that sample to a petri dish with a growing medium. The bacteria or fungal will rapidly reproduce in just a couple of days when it can be accurately read. Each bacteria or fungal has distinct characteristics and when they are viewed in quantity, they are easily distinguishable. Once the specific pathogen is identified, a medication can be prescribed that is known to be effective against that pathogen. This almost always results in a quick cure and repeat episodes are rare. Often, the doctor will prescribe a medication on the first visit but you should always call the office in two or three days to find out what the pathogen was and if the prescription is known to be effective against that pathogen. It may be that the prescription needs to be changed. With the proper medication, you should see a noticeable improvement in a day or two and no future flare ups. Always insist on a culture and if there is any resistance, insist on another physician.

Cleaning: It is not any more necessary to clean inside a boy?s foreskin than it is necessary to clean inside a girl?s vagina. Indeed, it can actually cause problems just as cleaning inside a girl?s vagina can be expected to cause problems. You simply clean the outside just like a finger.

This is because of two reasons. First, it can cause physical damage to the foreskin as mentioned above. Second, it can cause tears in the foreskin or glans which is an opening inviting infectious bacteria or fungals to take hold. The third reason is discussed below in ?smegma.?

Smegma: This is a creamy white substance that both boys and girls produce. It is absolutely normal and actually beneficial and necessary. Smegma is the greek word for ?soap? and that is a hint. It contains an enzyme called lysozime that protects the penis from infection. This same enzyme is also found on girl?s vulvas and in the eyes protecting those areas as well. Washing the smegma away also washes the lysozime away and makes infections much more probable.

Smegma also acts as a barrier crème. It isolates the separated areas of the foreskin and glans and keeps them from rebonding with scar tissue. As the separation process is taking place, small tears in the surface of the foreskin or glans can occur. During the healing process, smegma prevents the foreskin and glans from healing to each other permanently. That is certainly something no one wants. The best thing to do is to not try to separate the foreskin or retract it and let the process take place on it?s on. The boy should be the first to retract his foreskin. He is the only one that can feel the pain and know when to stop before damage is done. He?s going to stop before damage is done.

There is one additional problem that occasionally shows up. It is called separation trauma. This happens as the foreskin is separating from the glans. The process is not even in most boys and the foreskin can be loose from the glans in most areas but still firmly adhered in spots. Usually, boys will have an erection on waking and these erections cause pulling at the remaining adhesions causing slight tears in the foreskin inner surfaces or the glans. The foreskin is similarly enervated and vascularized to the lips and any trauma can cause a very noticeable reaction just like a slight blow to the lips can cause a noticeable ?fat lip.? In these cases, sometimes the symptoms can be quite extreme with a badly swollen and red foreskin, sometimes all of the way down the shaft to the base of the penis. However, it also resolves itself quite quickly with most of the symptoms disappearing within a day or so. This is most often diagnosed as an infection when there is no infection at all. Usually, there is a prescription to treat it when there was no infection at all but the prescription is given the credit.

Genital infections are simply minor skin irritations. There is no harm in delaying treatment for a single day to see if the symptoms subside on their own and they do in most cases. The only caveat is that you make sure your son is having no problem urinating. There may be pain or burning with urination but watch for a fine, thin stream or dribling or signs of urinary retention. So far, I have heard of no case of separation trauma where there was urinary retention but it is possible. Urinary retention requires emergency treatment.

deckthehillswithboughsofmummy · 20/12/2006 17:41

Hi Amakanata Thanks for the information. Will have to make sure Iknow where to find this thread as DS grows up.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page