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your top tips for coping with stress (sahm or wohm) gratefully received...

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WideWebWitch · 27/09/2006 20:45

I get up at 6 (5.30am this morning due to dd waking), leave house at 7.45am, drop 2 children, get to work at 8.30, work until 6.30 most nighs, often don't take lunch, arrive home at 7, most stressful time, cuddle children, cook (or dh does), come here, sometimes watch something, go to bed at 10.30-12, depending. Causes of stress

100+ emails a day (left 20 unread tonight, had to go at 7pm)
stupid workload
stressful job (will get better, within my influence but some is inevitable)
dh being mildly pissed off that I am working so hard (this causes its own stress iyswim)

Things I do already
Prioritise ruthlessly and well
delegate
Only open emails at certain times, forward my phone when I need clear time
shop online
have a cleaner twice a week, may increase it
don't do anything I don't have to do
don't see people I don't want to see
have a lovely husband
have lovely children, who I love spending time with at weekends

Things I don't do but would like to
exercise (I like walking but where's the time?)
Take days off alone (I could do sometimes)

Any and all suggestions appreciated, including tips for not roaring FUCK OFF!!!! at the next person who's fking rude to me at work. Btw I like my job mostly, my boss is supportive, my directs are good, but it is stressful atm.

TIA, all thoughts appreciated.

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Rhubarb · 27/09/2006 20:48

Ok, instead of roaring FUCK OFF it is actually more satisfying to be highly sarcastically nice, sweetness as pie, tinkley and sparkley! It will be bloody obvious that you are being sarcastic but they won't be able to say or do anything which is really really annoying for them!

SSSandy · 27/09/2006 20:52

ok don't know how to fit this into your schedule but I'm learning tennis and I beat the heck out of those tennis balls which does me an enormous amount of good. I don't even do it intentionally, just happens but everyone says I'm a killer on the court and they jump out of the way when I serve instead of trying to return the service.

I think sport IS the best stress killer really but if you have no time for it that doesn't help, does it?

Rhubarb · 27/09/2006 20:53

Oh oh oh! You can get these squeezy skulls from the Halloween range in Asda and if you squeeze hard enough their eyeballs pop out! They're ded cool!

iota · 27/09/2006 20:54

I think you should always try to take a break at lunch time, even if it's only half an hour - and go for a walk then.

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motherinferior · 27/09/2006 20:57

Oh honey. It's too much, isn't it.

I agree with Iota. I think if you can combine a break with a walk - and I know this may well seem impossible - it will pay off. Also, are you able to fit in any exercise at the weekend (I get up and go swimming some weekend mornings)?

And I think time off on your own might be a really good idea (sigh ). Schedule a few days of annual leave now, at a point far enough in the future where you'll just have to take them.

texasrose · 27/09/2006 20:57

Hi,

Your life sounds so full on! This may not be practical but for your own sake you might want to try to make time for a lunch break even if it's just 15 mins. You'll be much more refreshed - and get out of your work environment, away from the desk or whatever. Try and get a bit of freah air in the middle of the day (and there's your little bit of exercise too).

Also - are you getting enough sleep? Some people can manage on much less than others. I'm a real duvet bunny! I love sleep and turn into an evil witch if I don't get enough! You may be fine on what you're getting though.

It sounds like your workload is neverending. My dh's job is the same. He's had to learn to accept that he will never have a clear desk, ever. THerefore you just do your best each day and don't expect to do everything if it's a physical impossibility. You could try to get home earlier one day a week to make that time of day less stressful.

Also plan your weekend time. That's precious family time so make the most of it. Decide on your priorities for yourselves as a family and don't settle for doing things that are not very satisfying (eg we've given up going into town on a Saturday because it winds the kids up and we all get stressed).

HTH!

PcCOD · 27/09/2006 20:58

i thought your day sounded stressful on the food thread
we love ya www

notsoladyjess · 27/09/2006 21:00

yes, i have heard sport is good but like you i don't have the time and my dh works in london so i can't actually get out of the house much in the evening.
i make sure i get weekends away with my friends. i try to do it with my friends who don't have children. it is good to have something to look forward to and it is so good not to have anyone being dependant on you. we go out and get battered and then have lie ins and meet friends for lunch and go for walks.
i love my boys but i need time off to enjoy myself.
you sound like a marvellous woman. good luck with destressing.

acnebride · 27/09/2006 21:06

sorry if this is a ridiculous suggestion, as i have nothing like your level of responsibility at work, but

do you have a secretary?

can you transfer your inbox to him/her and get him/her to sort it so that they give you a single bolus of emails that require action, and another that require reading, 2 x a day, preferably with most of the actions already done, phone messages returned and more detail identified etc?

and is there a person you could jobshare with?

hatoff · 27/09/2006 21:13

www you sound like me - a little now but - more so when I didn't have children! The thing that did it for me was being able to stop work and have a family! So no tips from I'm afraid. Walking is a really good release now but at the same time I then walk straight back into the stresses and sometimes I walk really fast feel like I'm going to have a heart attack going uphill(!) because I have so much that I "have" to fit in before the children finish school and dh returns home. Walking is good though even just 15 mins at lunchtime as someone has questioned/suggested just to stop and breath a little - wishing you the best. (Oh and I tried the overly nice bit and it didn't work on the people I wanted to swear at so be warned they may just keep coming back if they are anything like the ones I tried it with!)

ParanoidAndroid · 27/09/2006 21:14

Careful! You could be describing my old job except I travelled as well so I had nights away plus subsequent jetlag to contend with. Now I know everyone is different but..... I ended up having a nervous breakdown. Three years later (almost to the day) I am well, truly recovered, but absolutely intolerant to stress and pressure. I have a lovely relaxed time running the house and family, walking, running, painting etc but I will always have the depression and anxiety in the background, keeping me from trying too many new things.

So be careful.

Fresh air at lunchtime is an absolute must. And if you can have time for you at the weekend that would help I think.

hatoff · 27/09/2006 21:15

see am so stressed I'm not wrting proper sentences but hope you can make out what I'm saying! Must go now and finish some more housework to make space for my busy day tomorrow!

WideWebWitch · 27/09/2006 21:41

Thank you everyone, some good ideas here. OK, I am going to go in tomorrow and

Book my lunchtimes out so people CANNOT book meetings with me at those times
Book 2 days off, one of them next weekm, when it is ds's birthday (had already agreed to leave early at 2 but fk it, will take whole day)
will walk at lunch time. Have a colleague who will do this with me
will put an autoreply on my email saying I am not at my desk to give me breathing space
will ask for more resource (have done this today to resolve immed problem)
Thanks, I won't do overly nice, I will do better expectation management and appreciating that I cannot possibly do everything.
I have a good, supportive team and 2 good strong managers who report to me but I think I need to pick my 2 biggest PITAs at work and TACKLE them, calmly to sort them out.

Paranoidandroid, I'm sorry. I am aware of this and do want to be careful. Do you think anything would have stopped you having a breakdown? You see, I am conscientious but deep, deep down I don't really think my job is important or makes that much of a contribution to society, no-one will die if I don't do it so although I am professional I can step back and say fuck it, I think, to an extent. and it will get better and I am optimistic. I laugh quite a bit at work too (sometimes black humour though, all in it together type stuff).

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LizP · 28/09/2006 18:44

A late suggestion here - how about a baby sitter one evening a week - don't know how old your kids are but if they are little I'm assuming they are fed by the time you get home - so you cuddle children and then go out to eat with dh in local pub. Then you chat and don't have any clearing up!

ParanoidAndroid · 29/09/2006 11:09

Hi WWW. Do I think anything would have stopped my breakdown? That's a question I've not been asked before so I've been thinking long and hard about it.

Ultimately, no I think it was going to happen regardless. Probably because the stress had been building for years. Without boring you rigid, I come from a very loving but high achieving family and have always driven myself very hard. Before children, that wasn't an issue. I worked hard, progressed quickly, thought I was the bee's knees, etc etc. Actually underneath I wasn't confident about myself, I just felt that I had to keep proving to others that I was a capable person so I just kept taking on more and more. So by the time that my kids were 6 and 4, I felt like my life was utterly out of control. A very senior job in a well known company, two lovely children, dh setting up and running his own business (ostensibly part time so that he could look after children and house, but somehow there was always masses for me to do whenever I was at home!), an expensive lifestyle (holidays, possessions blah blah blah) that needed paying for. At this stage I was beginning to question my career. Having gone to the top of the ladder, I felt that I was so far from what had interested me in my career in the first place. I hated the politics, the pressure of always having to be available (mobile phone always on, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week even on hols), the hours spent in airports, getting cross because I couldn't connect to my email, becoming irritated when staff wanted holidays or were ill. I became increasingly frustrated that I was serving the shareholders well, the staff less well, and as far as a meaningful contribution to society was concerned, in no way at all.

There were significant people in my childrens' lives whom I had never met - friends their own ages, parents of their friends etc. My children had a social life that I knew nothing about and wasn't involved in. My dh went to the mum's evenings out as an honorary mum. When I did the rare school pick up, I would stand at the school gates in my suit with the dads who didn't know anyone else either. I slept appallingly badly, ate badly (too much breakfast at my desk, airline or hotel food), drank too much and never exercised apart from running through airports.

My mum was then diagnosed with advanced breast cancer, and my world crumbled. I felt that everything had been built on sand, one quick shake and the lot came tumbling down. After that, everything just fell apart - my grandmother died v suddenly and with me finding her body, I had breast cancer, dad developed advanced skin cancer and so it went on!!

Now, three years later, I am so very well it's almost unbelievable! Both parents are alive and still well. My own cancer has gone and I'm still clear. I am still married to my dh (just!) and my children are still utterly delightful. I have been hugely affected by my breakdown - in some good ways and some less than good ways. I am a much happier person now - I make an effort to eat properly, I drink very little, I exercise a lot, and I stay utterly in touch with my feelings. That sounds bizarre but I have to be aware of doing too much or taking too much on. I tried working earlier this year - a part time secretarial job - but I couldn't cope with it at all. This has been quite a blow to me and I'm only just starting to recover from that. I react very badly to pressure - deadlines, other people's expectations, commitments etc. As long as I can more or less drift along in the world then I can cope. I am fine with the kids' routines (albeit occasionally forgetting their PE kit etc!), I can look after the house, I enjoy the cooking and gardening etc etc. I have rediscovered my love of painting. But that it more or less it. I have been trying to bring myself to contribute to society in some way, like volunteering with Home Start or something which I would dearly love to do. But I can't bring myself to do it because people would expect me to be at a certain place at a certain time etc, and I just can't cope with that. So that's a bit tough. Oh, and we are hugely poorer than we were (well, in financial terms anyway!)

I'm sorry that I've rambled on hugely. I didn't mean to but your question opened the floodgates! If you're still reading this far, then well done!

I think the short answer is that the breakdown was probably on the cards even without the various triggers. But actually I prefer the person I am now, with the values I have now.

It is very very hard to make a change to a lifestyle without some significant trigger. Would I have been able to change my life without my illness? No, I probably wouldn't have been able to do it. I felt so so responsible for my dh, for his business (he could only work for himself if I was the breadwinner), the lifestyle etc. It would have taken a vast amount of courage to stop all of that and to do something different. I wish I had been able to because I know there is more to life than my old career. And maybe, just maybe, that's something that is lurking in the back of your mind?

Sorry to ramble so much, and I wish you so much luck with where you are now. Feel free to let me know if you want more input (I will try and keep it shorter next time, I promise!)

Amanda

bossykate · 29/09/2006 12:16

good for you, amanda, well done.

www sweetie, fwiw, i think you are already doing all the right things, and there is already lots of good advice here.

perhaps you are already doing this but just in case i suggest the following trick from 7 Habits of Highly Effective People.

Divide your work/tasks into four categories:

  • Urgent and important - these you have to do
  • Urgent not important - renegotiate this - why does it need to be done at all? Can it be done later?
  • Not urgent and important - renegotiate the deadline
  • Not urgent not important - don't do it.

This can be applied to household tasks as well as work.

Do you have the space for an au-pair? This would take some of the daily grind of your and dh's shoulders or alternatively a nanny would at least do child related housework.

I do think though that when you have a stressful job there simply isn't enough time for everything. end of. sorry

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Mumpbump · 29/09/2006 13:14

We notionally take it in turns to get up early with ds at the weekend - one of my friends has the same arrangement with her hubby for their two children. This means that at least one day a week, I get to lie in bed and have some time to myself/extra sleep. Also, I walk from London Bridge to the office and back every day, rather than take the Tube. More me time and, as everyone has said, exercise is very good for relieving stress. Plus, if necessary, I can use the morning walk to plan my day and the evening walk to mull over tricky problems without interruption... We are also hoping to get an au pair to help at home.

WideWebWitch · 29/09/2006 19:07

Oh thank you. Amanda, thanks for telling me all that, it was interesting. I'm glad your life is better now and I guess I'm sort of pleased (sorry, but ykwim I hope) to hear that it wasn't the stress per se but was a build up. I guess I come from a family of underachievers and so don't feel any particular pressure in that way, I can cope with failure I think! In fact when my boss was vile recently I resigned, that's how able I am to say fk off rather than live with intolerable stress (he apologised and changed the stuff I was unhappy about so it's ok). I also have an ex dh who has just had a v large redundancy payment and said he would lend us cash if we needed it. So that's a nice position to be in.

The mornings are hideous here, I think someone to take the children would help enormously, as would someone else picking them up. No room for an au pair but we could move and make room at some point. Or maybe I will see if I can find a
local cm who would be prepared to do it p/t, it would be worth it.

bk, thank you. Today at work I didn't open any emails AT ALL until 4.30 as I had must do tasks that had to be completed by by 4, all of which I achieved. And my team achieved an enormous amount and met all our deadlines as a result of the additional resource, it was very satisfying. By the time I got to the emails many of them had been overtaken by events so that was nice, and a lesson tbh. So I left at 5pm on the dot. Tesco just delivered and ds is going to give us a lie in til 10am tomorrow as he can look after his sister for a few hours very happily.

I also took an hour to have lunch with colleagues and laughed quite a bit, so that was nice.

Batters, I can't reduce my hours but I can buy some additional holiday for next year, bumping it up to 35 days so that would help, having 7 weeks to take next year instead of 6. And I have a week off booked in October already and another 8 days to take before the end of the year, so I may try to book some Fridays and Mondays to get some time at home on my own.

I've also booked out a load of time in my calendar for just working next week so people can't book meetings with me and I've told my boss that he needs to get person A off my back. I'm pretty sure he will. But hey, I also have plans for Person A and Person B who piss me off, I will handle them. One of them has already apologised to me this week because I made a complaint earlier in the week.

Thanks, all these thoughts are much appreciated.

Btw, also, my period started, I've had VILE, VILE PMT this week. Gah! Dh is relieved because my temper is sweeter but I think I maybe need to address that too.

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