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MMR, worried after reading the other thread. Anyone have positive experiences? Did you let your lo have it, and are they fine?

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PanicPants · 01/09/2006 21:54

Ds is due his, and we are going to let him have it. But after reading the other thread, I'm now worried.

How many of you have let your lo's have it, and it's been fine?

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grumpyfrumpy · 02/09/2006 08:54

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Twiglett · 02/09/2006 08:58

I'm sorry but this is a little stupid

the problem is that it is safe for 99.9% of children

so of course there's millions of people who have positive experience

rule out factors that might cause concern ... auto-immune disease in direct family, bowel disease in direct family, autism in family

then do what you feel is best for your child

Twiglett · 02/09/2006 08:59

doh read thread first twig

what JimJams says

and would also like to echo sophable's response to HMo2 ...

misdee · 02/09/2006 09:01

dd2 had her late, there was always a question mark over her from a very very young age, so she had hers at almost 2years old. ddf2 has AS traits but they have always been there, nothing to do with the MMR.

Jimjams2 · 02/09/2006 09:03

"would you rather have a child with autism or a dead child that died from complications to do with measles, that the way I thought about it and I just did it."

I always take this comment as a good time to introduce this film:
autism every day Scroll down to 'our community" and its the first film.

It shows experiences of autism that closely mirror my own. Whilst I am obviously overjoyed that my son isn't dead- I would also rather he wasn't vacccine damaged (he was not MMR damaged). My happiness with him being alive, doesn't alter the fact that he will never live independently.

The "mother's didn't notice" line is utterly ridiculous as most regressions are accompanied by physical changes- usually seizures (durr just didn't notice them before) or exteme chronic diarrhoead.

yes the numbers are very small, and it's very unlikely to be your child that's afffected, but that's no reason to rubbish those whose child's lives have been destroyed. Watch the film if you think destroyed is too strong a word.

Raggydoll · 02/09/2006 09:05

But what if there ARE risk factors. Dh has ulcerative colitis (same as crohns however instead of being in the untreatable small intestine it is in the 'removeable' large intestine). He had his large intestine completely removed a couple of years ago. DD is 12 months and I have to decide soon - it is so confusing its a huge resposnibilty as a parent and I do not know what to do

HappyMumof2 · 02/09/2006 09:06

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Heathcliffscathy · 02/09/2006 09:10

once again, ignorance. All doctors acknowledge that all vaccines damage some children. Including the MMR.

HappyMumof2 · 02/09/2006 09:12

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donnie · 02/09/2006 09:12

dd1 had single vax and I refused the booster ( she is nearly 5). I also know mothers whose children had the MMR but have refused the booster.

dd2 has her measles vax next week, as long as she is well. No way will I allow them the MMR.Yes it costs but it's a small price to pay for ( relative) peace of mind.

FWIW I know children who have had very strong reactions to the MMR and have been hospitalised but the Docs REFUSE to accept it is MMR related. Well they would wouldn't they?

Jimjams2 · 02/09/2006 09:15

What causes damage in combination with MMR? Genetics? mental retardation caused by PKU is caused by genetics but completely avoidable if an affected individual avoids phenylalanine. That's why baby's are heel pricked at birth. Should we just not bother and let a few of them become irreversibly damaged and say oh well that's their genetics.

Raggydoll- on the other thread I linked to a talk given by Wakefield this year- it's good. I'd try emailing him in your position just to see if he replied. If you can't get hold of him, then prob the leading paed gastroenterologist in this country is Simon Murch - he would be able to give an idea of gut health although I suyspect he might need to distance himself from MMR stuff (he was an author on the lancet paper). I have heard goood things about him, he's very thorough, although I don't know if the people I came across consulted privately or via the NHS.

coppertop · 02/09/2006 09:17

Complete rubbish about MMR being given at the same time that autism usually shows. As I said in my earlier post ds1 and ds2 showed signs long before the MMR. Ds1 showed signs pretty much from birth. Ds2 had several traits by 4 months and I was posting on here about my concerns that he was autistic when he was 9 or 10 months old.

Scoobydooooo · 02/09/2006 09:18

My ds had it & he is fine.

My dd will be having it too

Raggydoll · 02/09/2006 09:19

thanks jimjams

sorry for hijack panic pants - in answer to original post my ds had mmr and was fine - at the time though i didn't know anything about autism and the link between bowel probs etc

vnmum · 02/09/2006 09:45

i havent read all the thread or the other one, but DS is 9 months and i know will be due his MMR in a few months. he is allergic to egg and i have discussed my worries about the vaccine with both doctors, paeds and HV and all have said that he can still have it under more controlled circumstances incase of any reaction. i am happy with this. i will have him vaccinated as i think alot of it is scaremongering and that there is no completely solid proof pf a link between MMr and autism.

Due to parents not having the Vaccine and not being offered the single vaccines there seems to have been an increase of measles outbreaks, when this disease was nearly irradicated due to vaccination programmes. Measles can kill and IMO i dont think its fair that parents with children who are too young for the jab may be inadvertently putting their child at risk of infection through socialisation at mums and tots groups where unvaccinated children are that could be carrying measles during the incubation period, since measles is contagious before any symptoms are shown. the parents of the babies would have no choice over immunisation as their child would be too young yet they could die if they caught measles from an unvaccinated toddler. Most mums would presume that the toddlers at group would probably have been vaccinated.

You only need to look back in history to see how devastating measles can be. one village in yorkshire/peak district had a whole generation of children wiped out in 2 weeks due to measles as it is that contagious and lethal.

surely we owe it to the health of society to stop this disease from rearing its ugly head again

Socci · 02/09/2006 10:02

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vnmum · 02/09/2006 10:13

i know we all have a responsibility for our own childs health and im not denying that. but i think that the scaremongering has not helped people to make a completely informed decision. i just know how i would feel if my baby caught measles from an unvaccinated toddler and was seriously ill etc from it.

this is just my opinion, im not trying to tell people what they should or shouldnt be doing and as you say, afterall it is the choice of the parent, but i just dont think its as simpley cut and dried if you get what im trying to say

Jimjams2 · 02/09/2006 10:20

"when this disease was nearly irradicated due to vaccination programmes"

measles has occured in populations with 100% vaccination, it's not a good candidate for complete eradication.
How would you feel if your baby caught measles from a vaccinated child? DS1 caught rubella from a vaccinated child.

None of which is an argument not to vaccinate but an illustration of why the decision isn't black and white, and if you have risk factors is a very murky shade of grey.

3andnomore · 04/09/2006 16:30

Well, all my 3 boys have been vaccinated and we have had no complication from this jab or any other.
I am one of the people that belief in Herd immunity and that beliefs it works.
Saying that, of course I still was worried before each jab they had...but then I think that is natural. Because I realise as much as the next person that of course any medication/vaccination applicated could be potentially harmful...but then, I also belief that the probable consequences of catching the diseases are much more likely to occur and therefore I feel that would put my child in more danger, iyswim...it's about weighing the risk up for yourself!
The Badscience website has a fair bit about the MMR articles, etc...that were published over the years...worth a read, imo...!

Blandmum · 04/09/2006 16:35

My dd had it (now age 9) and was/is fine.
My ds had it (now 6) and was/is fine. neither had any major reactions. Dd has a mild temperature, comtroled by paracetamol. Ds has a little red patch which faded over time.

Both had the combined vaccinations.

morocco · 04/09/2006 16:45

and another pov
ds1 was vax against it although I agonised over it. now I'm v grateful I did as he is now immunosuppressed and even if I wanted to give him the booster, I couldn't. so at least he hopefully has immunity already and if he does get it, it hopefully won't kill him either.

I never ever thought he would be immunosuppressed due to meds he now has to take for condition diagnosed when he was 2.5 and of course it is incredibly unlikely to happen. but so is developing autism as a result of the mmr. so it's all swings and roundabouts and no guarantees.

riab · 05/09/2006 12:59

DS has had it and is absolutly fine. I read up on it all and I honestly believe that the link between autism and MMR isn't proved at all.

I will check back again when he is due for his booster jabs.

One of the best things I read pointed out that the signs of autism aren't picked up until the child is developmentally delayed - so usually from 18mo onwards. So its very difficult to say that MMR or anything else caused it - it simply may have already been there but until you picked up on delayed speech/ physical development you didn't realise.

mummyhill · 05/09/2006 13:40

DD had it and is fine ds will also have it when old enough. I am more concerned about the people who are not immunising as this leads to out breaks of the diseases we are immunising against which could affect tiny baby's.

Socci · 05/09/2006 13:56

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Gobbledigook · 05/09/2006 13:57

All my 3 have had it with no ill effect whatsoever.

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