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David Southall's experiments on babies

28 replies

johnhemming · 17/08/2006 13:41

I am a Member of Parliament and concerns have been raised with me about experiments on babies performed by or on behalf of Dr David Southall.
A protocol was proposed to the Royal Brompton Hospital in 1985 called 85.02 which involved various interventions to babies respiratory systems.
These involved blocking the breathing through a face mask, testing the impact of CO2 (Carbon Dixoxide) and testing the impact of air with only 15% Oxygen (normal is about 21%).
I would be interested in anyone contacting me who thinks their child may have had these tests performed on them without their consent. I would also be interested in anyone threatened with child protection proceedings if they refused to allow him access to their child.
If I am appointed as a lay advisor or Mackenzie friend then I can be provided with information in respect of any child protection proceedings merely place the words "I appoint John Hemming as my lay advisor and Mackenzie friend" in any letter or email.
People can contact me at [email protected] or John Hemming MP, Freepost, House of Commons, London SW1 0AA.

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donnie · 17/08/2006 13:42

is this kosher?

JessaJam · 17/08/2006 13:45

Kosher or not...shouldn't this be in Media/Non-member requests??

UrsulatheSeawitch · 17/08/2006 13:45

Lib Dem B'ham Yardley

Southall was at Stafford, wasn't he?

buffythenappyslayer · 17/08/2006 13:55

thats awful.is this true?

fuzzywuzzy · 17/08/2006 14:03

Buffy I had read ages ago that yes David southall was experimentingo nchildren in this fashion. No experiencem yself thank god.

But I think there are some MNers who might be interested and possibly may wish to contact This MP.

buffythenappyslayer · 17/08/2006 14:05

god its really awful!!

how come its taken so long for something to be done or has it only just come to light?

UrsulatheSeawitch · 17/08/2006 14:05

BBC piece from 2000

He is one of the "Munch Bunch" - overkeen on diagnosis of Munchausen's by proxy. Not a popular man on MN.

Iklboo · 17/08/2006 14:07

Is this going to go the way of "she who must not be named" I wonder?

UrsulatheSeawitch · 17/08/2006 14:07

Lots of BBC reports here . In 2004 he was found guilty of misconduct in the Sally Clark case.

buffythenappyslayer · 17/08/2006 14:09

oh my god!just read the first link.ive never heard of him before,ut i remember when it was in the news about the filming of parents in hospital with their children that were thought to be at risk.

UrsulatheSeawitch · 17/08/2006 14:09

He's been discussed on MN, like Roy Meadow, quite a lot in the last few years, Iklboo.

Greensleeves · 17/08/2006 14:09

Munch Bunch?? No!!

Greensleeves · 17/08/2006 14:16

Have now read links

I hope you manage to get the information you need, Mr Hemming.

johnhemming · 17/08/2006 14:55

As to questions as to the truth of the issue.

Southall has experimented with 15% Oxygen here are the results:
bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/316/7135/887

I also have evidence that he has used a CO2 challenge as well.

Strictly as I am a member of Mumsnet (although it may not surprise you to know that I am not a mother) this is not a non-member/media request.

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johnhemming · 17/08/2006 14:58

I think this should give the link:
Tests of 15% Oxygen

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PennyM · 17/08/2006 14:59

Anyone wnating documentary evidence of what Mr Hemming is discussing should go to this thread

www.msbp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1646 on the MAMA board where you can download evidence of the experiments David Southall has undertaken on small vulnerable infants and children.

Please alert any other mumsnet members to these documents.

Thank you

Penny Mellor

[email protected]

prettybird · 17/08/2006 17:57

Men (especially Dads) are allowed JohnHemming! Although as a member, I'm sure you'll have seen that there are a few male contribuitrs (maybe we already know you under a different name! )

I wish you well in yuor investigations.

milliec · 17/08/2006 18:10

Message withdrawn

johnhemming · 25/08/2006 14:27

More on this here
South Wales Police Investigation

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expatinscotland · 25/08/2006 14:43

Thanks, Peny! Here's a link to the other thread:

otherthread

PennyM · 27/08/2006 11:20

observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1859394,00.html

Family courts to poll children about ending secret hearings

Amelia Hill, culture and society correspondent
Sunday August 27, 2006

Observer

Children are to be asked whether family courts, which rule on the lives of 400,000 children and families every year, should continue to be run behind closed doors.
Constitutional Affairs minister Harriet Harman has admitted that the 80-year-old regime of secrecy that protects the courts has led to a failure of public confidence and a collapse of trust in their workings.

On Friday, the government will launch an interactive website asking children and young people what they think of suggestions to open the courts, which judge issues arising from family breakdowns, to wider scrutiny. Under the plans, the press and broadcasters would be allowed to attend hearings, which often involve sensitive matters regarding custody of children, although members of the public would still have to apply for the right to sit in court and listen to evidence. Judges will continue to have wide powers to hear cases in private - and strict anonymity will remain.

It is the first time the views of young people have been specifically sought on any matter by the Department for Constitutional Affairs, which has hired a group of researchers to respond personally to questions and comments from young people to the site. 'We want to hear directly from children themselves what they think of the proposals,' said a spokesman. 'We will be responding to emails as they are posted.'

But the decision to involve children so directly with the consultation process could led to the current, highly controversial level of secrecy being maintained, warned Nicholas Crichton, the only full-time family district judge in Britain.

'A young person who has seen the most deeply personal details of their extremely difficult life being openly discussed in court is likely to be far more concerned that their family's secrets remain secret than they are to care about the wider public gaining a greater understanding of exactly what is happening inside the family justice system,' he said.

'The government needs to be aware of the context within which a young person is likely to be looking at this question,' said Crichton, who sits at the Inner London and City Family Proceedings Court and is also a member of the Voice Of The Child, a sub-group of the Family Justice Group. 'The views of young people have only a limited validity if they have not first been given the information that will allow them to understand the issues which are at stake.'

· The online discussion forum for young people is at ofcf.net and will run from 1 September until 9 October 2006. www.ofcf.net/

expatinscotland · 28/08/2006 10:08

bump

lionheart · 28/08/2006 10:39

Something in the Guardian today about this.

PennyM · 28/08/2006 11:27

www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1859611,00.html

Professor in police inquiry over brain damage to boy

Sandra Laville
Monday August 28, 2006
Guardian

Detectives have stepped up an investigation into claims that the leading paediatrician David Southall left a child brain damaged as a result of a controversial breathing experiment 15 years ago, the Guardian has learned.

South Wales police have broadened their inquiry into an allegation that Professor Southall assaulted the boy by carrying out the test and are asking dozens of parents whose children may have come into contact with the paediatrician over the years to come forward if their child suffered any injuries as a result of his treatment. Professor Southall has denied that his treatment has harmed any child.

In a letter to parents last week, Detective Inspector Chris Mullane, of the force's child protection unit, said further inquiries could be opened as a result of the responses from parents. The letter says police are investigating an allegation of assault on a boy that may have occurred while he was undergoing treatment by Prof Southall at the University Hospital of Wales. It asks parents: "Has your child been treated directly or indirectly by Professor Southall ... Did your child suffer any injuries or adverse effects from that treatment ... Have you reported this matter to the police or any other body?"

The investigation began after the parents of Ben McLean alleged that he had been left brain damaged by Prof Southall's experiments at the University Hospital of Wales in 1991.

The child's mother, Davina McLean, believes that without their informed consent, her five-year-old son was given carbon dioxide to breathe and his airway was occluded during a sleep study. She claims that she and her husband were forced to take part in the study after Prof Southall said they were suffering from Munchausen's syndrome by proxy, and warned that unless they allowed Ben to take part he would be taken into care. Prof Southall has also denied these claims.

When Ben left hospital he was placed in foster care, but a year later a court found the McLeans had not harmed their child. Ben, now 20, lives with his parents and has severe speech and learning difficulties. Mrs McLean told the Guardian: "We are pleased that other parents out there who may have concerns are being contacted. All we want is justice for our son."

Prof Southall has attracted praise and controversy during his long career. Last year he was found guilty of serious professional misconduct and banned from child protection work for three years after wrongly accusing the husband of Sally Clark of killing their baby sons.

Other parents have made allegations against Prof Southall, who is one of the leading proponents of the diagnosis of Munchausen's syndrome by proxy, in which a parent or carer is said to harm a child to attract attention. He is due to face another disciplinary hearing before the General Medical Council later this year.

Many of Prof Southall's peers defend his work, and say a witchhunt is being carried out against him. They say paediatricians involved in child protection are being subjected to a campaign by groups defending parents accused of abuse.

Margaret Taylor, Prof Southall's solicitor, said he was not commenting on the police inquiry or on other aspects of Mrs McLean's allegations.