MMR

[marshmallow2468]

Hi,

DS is 11 months old and so will be due to have the MMR soon. DH has reservations. I don't, I'm fine with it, but he's got concerns. A colleague of his has a relative who she claims started showing signs of autism soon after having the MMR. He says this woman is bright, intelligent, rational and so he believes her and is worried about DS. I have spoken to our health visitor, and also a community nurse, and I'm not worried. I don't want to convince him it's ok against his will, but I'd like to show him my side, research or something that refutes the autism claim. I don't know where to look, so I was wondering if anybody had any good links.

Thank you to anybody who can help me.

My dd spent a week in hospital as a baby with measles and pneumonia because people chose not to vaccinate their dc with mmr. Please remember your decision affects others.

bumbley yes, anyone with half a brain who disputes the value of accinations in children (who do not have specific contra-indications) should be punched repeatedly until they see sense.

Sweep, iirc the three separate components were still given very close together in Japan.

MrsRuff, the mumps component is the least effective of the three and is known to wane - hence lots of out breaks in teenagers. Around 33% of mumps cases are completely asymptomatic.

Carol, you seem like a very violent person. Perhaps anger management classes would help?

Interestingly, maternal antibodies used to protect young babies from measles. The immunity passed on to babies from vaccinated mothers does not last as long as the immunity passed on from mothers who have been infected naturally.

Inside out, that article mentions whooping cough as if it is peoe not vaccinating that us the cause of the outbreaks. This is not the case, as discussed earlier.

Why does there have to be such an aggressive undertone with so many of the pro-vaccine (whether you like it or not) evangelists?

Well, I have more than half a brain, which tests an IQ I won't mention because it will be bragging

My DC have had the measles vaccine but not mumps or rubella. DS will be tested for mumps immunity around age 7 and vaccinated at that point, if necessary. DD will be tested for rubella immunity around age 18 and vaccinated at that point, if necessary.

I'm not in the business of vaccinating my children for the good of society, and the plan above is what is in their best interests, as calculated by their mother who happens to have a whole, fully-functional, high-IQ brain that is educated to a postgraduate level.

HTH.

"maternal antibodies used to protect young babies from measles"

Not always. There was no measles vaccine when/where I was born, my mum had had measles, and yet I managed to get measles when about 8 months old. Happy days.

Cote, sorry, that post wasn't clear. I don't mean that it guaranteed protection - maternal antibodies for measles were just found, on average, to be stronger for the women who had actually contracted measles compared to those who had the vaccine.

bumbley I have already given you the sourse, it's the link with the map showing the spread of diseases.

Sorry "source"! And of course the map shows outbreaks which have nothing to do with co-morbidity factors so malnutrition and poverty have nothing to do with it - clearly a miracle in South America!

Booboo - [[http://www.cfr.org/interactives/GH_Vaccine_Map/#map here is that map. If you select whooping cough at the side you can see that there are cases in South America. The fact that there are fewer cases shown on the map does not mean that there are few cases of WC in SA - it is more likely that they do not have the data because WC isn't a notifiable disease in those countries. By your logic, there are very few cases of WC in Africa as well - how are they managing that given their lack of access to vaccines? Miracle or lack of data?

In any case, why are you even trying to use it as proof of the effectiveness of the vaccine? Do you even know the vaccine coverage for all those countries? SA is pretty big!

sorry here is that map

sigh... here is that map

I don't really know how to reason with someone who looks at a map of vaccine preventable diseases, sees less disease where there are vaccines and concludes that vaccination causes disease.

Practically the only solution is compulsory, state mandate vaccination.

I don't think that is what bumbles is saying.

Bumbley, rather. Damn you auto-correct.

cote
You obviously believe that you should not contribute to society - I would ban anyone who has not been vacinnated without specific contr-indications from accessing any public amenity -eg benefits, schools, nhs etc. If you do not contribute to society then you get no benefits from society.

"cote You obviously believe that you should not contribute to society"

Hahahahhahahahahhaha

You mean I should take health decisions on behalf of my baby that are not in her best interest because... that's what "contributing to society" means

Forget about taxes, charity work, the little girl I put through school, helping old ladies across the street etc. It's obvious (no less!) that a mother believes she shouldn't contribute to society unless she sacrifices the interests of her baby for the common good

Booboo, I'm not sure what to say to someone who looks at a map which shows WC cases in South America yet concludes that there are none. Or someone who tries to attribute the low number of cases shown to the WC vaccine without actually knowing what the vaccination coverage is for any of the countries that she's talking about.

Would you like to explain how you have interpreted my previous post to mean 'vaccination causes disease'. That one has completely baffled me.

Caroldecker - that is an interesting approach. How you plan to identify the people who have contraindications?

Them's the ones protected by herd immunity - you go to someone who has trained in 'medicine' often called a 'doctor' and they tell you - simples

Carol - Was that in response to my question? Are you saying that a doctor can tell you whether or not you are going to react to a vaccine?

What do you mean by 'them's the ones protected by herd immunity'. I'm not sure how that is an answer to 'How do you plan to identify the people who have contraindications.'

caroldecker herd immunity is only achieved through natural increase and disappearance of disease. no such thing with vaccines.

surfmama not sure what you mean by that - see here for what i mean