Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

General health

Mumsnet doesn't verify the qualifications of users. If you have medical concerns, please consult a healthcare professional.

My mum Is In Chronic Pain. Please Help...

23 replies

Prambo · 28/09/2013 14:52

I am appealing to anyone out there who suffers with sensory neuropathy. My mum was diagnosed 2.5 years ago and is rapidly declining in health. May I tell you about her treatment so far? I would love to know how you cope with your own or a close relative's pain. It is awful not being able to help my wonderful mum who, were it not for her Christian faith, would have ended her life by now.

My mum is under a consultant at the Walton Neuroscience Hospital in Liverpool, where she has undergone a CT scan, a lumbar puncture, a whole plasma change, MRI, scans of the abdomen, nerve conductive tests and full blood counts (two or three times) - all came back normal. Her blood pressure is normal. In other words: perfectly healthy. She was given a capcaicin chilli patch by Dr. Frank (a pain specialist) as part of a trial but she suffered severe burns and the trial was halted. Mum has been told that the most common causes of her neuropathy are diabetes and trauma. She had a very bad fall 18 months prior to the onset of her problems but her consultant sees no correlation between the fall and her illness. He said in 60% of neuropathy cases there is no hope of finding its origins. Mum is one of the 60%, he said.

Her chronic pain is in her arms, shoulders, neck and hands. She is also very troubled with a severe 'tightness' in her torso (from under her breasts to under her stomach). She has awful balance and staggers like a drunk. She uses a crutch and has to now hold on to me when we walk. She comes down the stairs on her bottom. She burns her arms when not realising she is spilling hot liquid on them. She doesn't know when she has trapped her fingers in doors.

She is currently taking 10mg of morphine twice-a-day plus the maximum dose of Gabapentin (900mg three times-a-day). She is also on Duloxetine for pain relief (an antidepressant) which is not working. She is pushing to return to Fluoxetine, which gives her some relief, apparently. She has tried amoxicyline but it made her fall over a lot and 'did her head in'. Walton hospital have now 'washed their hands of her', offering group counselling as a last resort to share with others who live with chronic pain. I am so depressed that I can't take this burden from her. She is otherwise healthy and is grieving the loss of her limbs and balance greatly. Psychologically she is going downhill as her pain gets worse.

Please, please help with any advice or experiences you would be willing to share. Thank you so much.

OP posts:
Leverette · 28/09/2013 15:25

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Prambo · 28/09/2013 16:25

Thank you, Leverette, yes she has. She's also had tests for spinal tumours.

OP posts:
LargeGlassofRed · 28/09/2013 20:12

Has she seen the pain team at the hospital, I found them so helpful, mine kept working with me until they found the right drug combination and really seamed to understand and care.
I would say straight off to up her slow release morphine tablets to 20 twice a day.
Also does she have oral morphine, I find it the only thing to give instant relief when the pain gets very bad.
Really would keep pushing for help there is enough drug combinations to combat the pain no one should have to just live with it.

Matildathecat · 28/09/2013 20:54

I am about to start a pain management group, I hope she will at least learn some techniques for coping with this. It sounds ghastly. She's lucky to have supportive family.

Although tests have been unable to establish a cause it does sound as if the experts do believe your mum and are willing to help. Do make sure she isn't just discharged back to het GP if her meds aren't effective. Has she used other methods such as meditation?

Best wishes to you all.

RandomMess · 28/09/2013 20:57

I just want to express my empathy my best friend has a similar condition, she has a spinal chord stimulator to block the pain signals however it sounds like the issue is too high up in your Mum's spine to have that as an option. Some people have a morphine pump - is that an option to explore?

OddBoots · 28/09/2013 21:01

Your poor mum.

It's more expensive so it might take some persuading but I found pregabalin much more effective then gabapentin. She really needs to be referred to a pain clinic though.

Prambo · 28/09/2013 21:14

Thank you, all of you, forreplying. Oddboots, I forgot to mention in my OP that mum has tried pregabalin a long time ago and it didn't work for her. She is at the pain clinic at Walton and it is they who want mum to take part in group support with others who are living with chronic pain.

Random, another mumsnetter, who is a pain neuroscientist(!) has suggested mum has her nerves blocked. Is this what you are speaking of with regards your friend? It sounds terrific but I wonder why mum's consultant hasn't already suggested this?

Large, I've lost count of the number of combinations of drugs which have been tried for mum. The doctors really are sympathetic and seem to have tried everything. I am keen to get her some CBT as I've heard this can help remarkably. Do any of you have experience of this kind of therapy improving things?

Matilda, mum hasn't tried any alternative therapies but I guess it's time we looked into them...

Thanks once again for kindly replying, all of you.

OP posts:
RandomMess · 28/09/2013 21:18

Yes it could be, it is very invasive surgery it can go very wrong (my friend has had horrendous experiences) you are on anti-rejection drugs for life. It is electrodes attached to your spinal cord located above the area where you get the pain - I think, certainly that is where hers are sited.

RandomMess · 28/09/2013 21:21

Some general info here but is US site so it may not be one approved for use in the UK

www.medtronic.com/patients/chronic-pain/device/neurostimulators/what-is-it/index.htm

One issue is that if the chronic pain has been caused by a trauma the surgery is another trauma that your body may react to IYSWIM - don't know if that is a risk but thinking logically...

Prambo · 28/09/2013 23:56

Thank you, Random, very much appreciated.

OP posts:
FavoriteThings · 28/09/2013 23:59

Has she tried christian healing? It is talked about in the book of James I think.

Prambo · 29/09/2013 00:25

Interesting, Favorite. I don't know what to think about that. So many prayers for so long have been said for my mum and I believe it is God who heals and not his disciples today. What do you think? I'll check out James, for sure. Thank you for your reply.

OP posts:
FavoriteThings · 29/09/2013 08:27

I dont have that much experience of christian healing, and my knowledge of it is pretty basic too.
I believe that God uses people to help Him, even now. And yes, if healing happens, it is God doing it.

My take on it all is, however it works, I dont need to know full details, just that I would do what the part in James says, and leave the details about it all up to God.

Matildathecat · 29/09/2013 10:38

The pain management course I am starting covers lots of things including, apparently a superior form of CBT so hopefully your mum will get lots from her course. Mine is run by psychologists. They are very clear that they are not expecting to cure pain but make it easier to live with.

I hope she finds some relief from somewhere.

Prambo · 29/09/2013 12:17

Thank you, Favourite, I read James chapter 5 last night and then sought some clarification from the internet. I will discuss is with mum, for sure. It is clear that some Christians will pray for relief from diseease but will not get it; what we can pray for is sustenance from God to uphold mum spiritually and emotionally. She gets so very down with this pain.

Matilda, I am accompanying mum to her next consultant appointment and demanding he help us get her some CBT. Thank you for returning.

OP posts:
FavoriteThings · 29/09/2013 12:30

Yes, it is supposed to be done. Gods choice about the outcome. hth.

Matildathecat · 29/09/2013 17:24

Before my course starts I had to attend a morning group 'taster' session which was really informative and an hour one to one with the psychologist. I imagine this is standard practice so push for the group ASAP as hopefully it will cover all the things you are hoping for and more.

CMOTDibbler · 29/09/2013 20:20

You mum might benefit from one of the really intensive pain management courses - the one at Bath is supposed to be very good as they try lots of different approaches to help you manage your pain, and its over 15-20 full days so you get a lot of help.

Prambo · 29/09/2013 20:53

Thank you, Matilda and CMOT. This is Walton hospital where my mum has had all her tests and consultations and she is asking to be put on their Pain Management Programme which sounds excellent. It is 5-16 days depending on a patient's requirements and I am very excited about the prospect of mum learning about her pain and management techniques. Thank you, all, for your replies and advice. I so appreciate you coming to share.

OP posts:
allinall · 29/09/2013 20:56

Hi, I've had facial neuropathy for several years which has no known cause or cure. I've also tried various drugs with little success, though amitriptyline does help to an extent (was that the drug your mum didn't get on with?).I did find it took a long while to work and for me to be able to cope with the side effects, but it was worth persisting I think.

However, a pain management course has been the best thing for me. I was very cynical about it before hand but it has honestly changed my view of my pain. It's hard to explain, but gradually I started to stop 'listening' to the pain so much, and to acknowledge it, and that it is horrible, without being so upset and distressed.

The course I did had some elements of mindfulness in it, which as a Christian I was a bit suspicious about, but actually it has helped me in more 'spiritual' ways too as I can concentrate more.

The course I did emphasised that pain may not be avoidable, but suffering is avoidable. I hadn't seen the two as distinct before.

Prambo · 29/09/2013 23:04

Blimey, Allinall, your post has really moved me. I am sorry you are burdened with this. You sound so at peace even though you are, I assume, still suffering. This is so what I want for my mum and 'not 'listening' to the pain is something I hope will be taught at the pain management programme at Walton. I'm sure that is the key to pain management and I hope my mum can reach the stage you are at. Thank you so much for coming and sharing this. I wish you all the best for your future.

OP posts:
allinall · 30/09/2013 10:09

Hi again, I'm glad you found my experience interesting, and perhaps helpful. I pray your mum can find a way to cope better. I do still have the pain, and I accept it's not going to go away, but I still have a life I want to live.
I think that you, or she, can start to live with the pain better once you have been reassured that the pain is not due to anything sinister (which I had secretly feared) but is just an incorrect response by some nerve cells! The pain is no less, but it's not a worrying pain anymore, if that makes sense.
Wishing your mum all the best.

Prambo · 30/09/2013 10:45

Thank you, thank you, Allinall, especially for your prayers.

OP posts:
New posts on this thread. Refresh page
Swipe left for the next trending thread