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claims being made that cancer is caused by unhappiness

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bananacarnival · 12/09/2013 21:23

Getting very frustrated here- wonder if anyone can tell me that what I've read is nonsense.

Picked up a so called 'natural health' magazine from the library which focuses on cancer, thought I might find something useful as my dad has advanced prostate cancer. It's got one article after the next about all the things that cause cancer, misery and emotions that are not dealt with - mentioned repeatedly. Felt v depressed after reading it.

I was particularly upset because of the fact that it was reinforcing the point made in a couple of cancer diet books I have for my dad, that stress and unhappiness play a role.

Please could someone come forward with some sense and tell me I've been reading nonsense. Anyone know of happy/positive or upbeat people who have cancer?

Thanks

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malteserzz · 12/09/2013 21:46

Sorry but what a load of crap ! I have breast cancer and it certainly wasn't caused by being unhappy or stressed, life was great before this Hmm
Best wishes to your dad

TVTonight · 12/09/2013 21:59

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bananacarnival · 12/09/2013 22:00

Thankyou malteserzz glad you agree, I wish you all the best with your treatment.

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northernlurker · 12/09/2013 22:25

Dear OP - we've known many people who are happy and cheerful people and also have cancer. i got hy dh in to answer you properly as he knows much more than me about the science:

This is lurker's husband here, BSc Biology, with ten years' experience in medical imaging and a mother who was a cancer nurse:

Cancer is caused by (usually many) mutations in a cell's DNA which cause a malfunction in the mechanisms that regulate the cell's growth.

It's important to distinguish between the two different types of agents which have a causal role in cancer. Cancer biologists term these "initiators" and "promoters"

"Initiators" are the nasty ones ; honest-to-God carcinogens. These are things that directly and irreversibly monkey around with DNA and their effects are dose-dependent. Things like X-rays, ultraviolet radiation, or chemicals like vinyl chloride (the building block of PVC) which are safe enough in small doses but which you want to avoid a large encounter with.

The vast majority of "could cause cancer" agents fall into the second category of "promoters". Almost anything which appears on the front page of the Daily Mail comes into this category. These are things which do not cause cancer on their own, do not directly damage DNA but when combined often enough with initiators which do damage DNA, could cause cancer.

Their effects are much harder to understand, they're generally not dose dependent, multiple factors are at work so it's hard for any epidemiologist to filter out the "noise" you get when doing studies on them.

Into this category falls things like saccharin, aspartame, our own stress hormones cortisol and adrenaline, and our own sex hormones testosterone and oestrogen.

Lifestyle does play a factor and we know this because immigrant populations from one culture who migrate into another change their prevalence of different cancer types.

None of this is a consolation when things do go wrong

These "natural health" magazines are filled with claims which are usually totally unsubstantiated, never cite any form of learned research done under controlled conditions and should be exposed in the daylight for the nasty, deceitful, scaremongering crap they are. Pay no attention to them.

And to those who claim that "natural" is somehow better than medicinal chemotherapy, it is worth pointing out that the natural world has given us almost all our medicines.

Most of the cancer drugs in the arsenal today are natural products too and most of them are directly from plants or slightly modified versions of plant products. For example, vincristine comes from the rosy periwinkle, tamoxifen derives from an extract of the humble yew tree.

morethanpotatoprints · 12/09/2013 22:27

This sounds similar to an article I read many years ago that discussed exactly what you mentioned with the addition of heart disease.
It then went on to talk about the word disease and that the causes of diseases could come from the literal being without ease.
It made me look at my life, just in case there was anything in the theory.
This was an educational paper though written for the psychological society. I read it at uni. It was just supposition really, not empirical research.

Abra1d · 12/09/2013 22:29

Thank you very much! That is so informative.

ExcuseTypos · 12/09/2013 22:31

Thank you Mr Northern, that is very helpful and clear info.

LazyMonkeyButler · 12/09/2013 22:31

I have never heard this before but, I have lost both of my parents to cancer. While mum was a stressed type of person who battled with depression on and off, Dad certainly wasn't. He was a very happy, cheery, relaxed kind of man.

I therefore deduce the article to be not entirely factual.

specialsubject · 13/09/2013 10:34

what utter rubbish. Take it to the library and tell them to burn it.

I worked with a delightful, smart, funny, cheerful 19 year old. She contracted leukemia the next year. It is now six years later, fortunately after a lot of difficult treatment she has gone on to do lots more happy things.

bananacarnival · 13/09/2013 13:48

Thankyou everyone this is very reassuring.

Mr NorthernLurker, that's such a brilliant explanation. Makes lots of sense and it was so good of you to take the time to write that out. I'm often wondering what the real +'facts ' actually are and whether what I'm reading has ulterior motives as what tvtonight is suggesting...just a plug for the vitamin /supplement sector.

Thanks again

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Lonecatwithkitten · 13/09/2013 14:03

The science has been done.
My beautiful friend died earlier this year of bowel cancer earlier this year she was the happiest most positive person I have ever meet.

minmooch · 13/09/2013 17:17

My DS was a very happy, positive 16 year old boy when he was diagnosed with an aggressive malignant brain tumour. Crappy articles like that one make me want to scream, shout and cry. He is always happy, never smoked, never drank alcohol, ate healthily, did sports, is tall snd slim, a child with no mortgage worries, high achiever at school, good friends etc etc etc and yet still he got cancer.

It's shit and unfair and articles like that heap guilt on to those suffering with cancer and those of their loved ones watching them helplessly.

Elibean · 13/09/2013 18:25

unhappiness?!

Cancer is caused by gene mutations, as far as I know - at least, thats what it says on the cancer research leaflet I just picked up.

OP, what a load of bollocks. People will say anything, think anything, to help them feel less out of control, less scared....please dump magazine (literally or in your mind) in bonfire and ignore.

Same goes for all the stuff about 'think positive' or you won't get well - I managed to get through crap odds of success for liver disease treatment some fifteen years ago, with massive amounts of fear, negativity, grief, whatever you want to call the rollercoaster I went through. And the treatment worked anyway. Sadly, I know others who were far 'braver' and more 'positive' than me for whom it didn't.

Candlefire · 13/09/2013 19:37

I think this links into the misguided belief that on some level people either "deserve"or "don't deserve" to be ill. We all have a need to see the world as a very fair and just place. It's not, it's random. Really good nice people get ill as do the nasty ones.

I work in a hospital and hear all the time from relatives that their DM,DH etc doesn't deserve it. Well, no one does.

The older I get, the more I see the random-ness of life. I have recently reunited with a lovely old school friend and she is very ill with cancer--a very happy positive person BTW. Sad.

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