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Are there more people with nut allergies now? And if so, why?

30 replies

bubble99 · 12/06/2006 22:27

Our last school newsletter reminded parents of the 'no nut' policy as there are an average of 3 children per class with serious and life-threatening nut allergies.

I cannot remember there being even one child at my primary school, in the 70's, with a nut allergy.

Nuts are not a recent addition to the national diet. I remember bakewell tart (almonds) being on the school menu, so why is this?

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Saggarmakersbottomknocker · 12/06/2006 22:34

I've wondered about this too bubble....

I don't remember anyone at school with an allergy - other than hayfever - and even that seems more prevalent now.

bubble99 · 12/06/2006 22:43

It's strange, isn't it? Where did these violent allergic reactions come from?

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eggybreadandbeans · 12/06/2006 23:02

It is weird that nut allergies seem on the increase. The only explanation I ever heard for this - and I don't know if it's true - is that a lot of baby products (nappy rash cream in particular, I think) at one time had nut oil in them, which exposed a generation or two of little ones to a potential allergen much earlier in their lives than they would normally have encountered nuts - say at a few weeks old, instead of eating a peanut butter sandwich at one year old. Contact with nuts so early on supposedly makes people more susceptible to being allergic to them later. A bit like eating wheat and dairy before age two increases the odds of developing hayfever (wheat being a grass, and dairy resulting from cows eating grass).

Don't know how much truth there is in this, but it's a possible explanation thrown into the pot.

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Saggarmakersbottomknocker · 13/06/2006 08:54

It just seems that generally we are more careful about what we expose our children to and yet there are more allergic children around (or seem to be).

Makes me question the validity of it all.

SenoraPostrophe · 13/06/2006 09:03

def more common now, as are all allergies including asthma, hayfever etc.

But it is because it's more common that everyone is more careful. feeding your child peanut too early doesn't cause peanut allergy, but delaying giving them peanuts can prevent it iyswim.

No-one knows why it's so much more common now. in the case of asthma, it has been linked to lack of exposure to germs in early life, which could be true I suppose. My own suspicions centre on air pollution.

bran · 13/06/2006 09:07

I was wondering about this, and I wondered if they weren't as good as recognising/treating anaphylatic shock and allergy so that some children died without explanation very young and others just went through life with milder but untreated symptoms. I do remember other children having allergies to things like eggs and animals but not nuts.

The whole early exposure thing has always seemed quite odd to me, why is it that exposure to some things before 1 will reduce allergies and asthma (eg. children growing up on farms having lower incidences of asthma) but other things have to be kept away from small children until they're older?

psychomum5 · 13/06/2006 09:10

I have always wondered if it is connected to the vaccines we give our kiddies. this isn't against vaccines, don't get me wrong, but I just wonder that because we protect our kiddies from so many illnesses, so our bodies never get to 'fight' anything anymore, and so make antibodies 'properly' as it were. soooo, it decides that it will create antibodies to foods instead, and depending on the type of child and his/her genes, then makes a different allergy to fit them.....?

may be nothing whatever to my theory, but from what I have read, seen, and experienced in my own kiddies, the rise in allergies seem to coincide with the rise in all the different vaccines. vaccines as we have them now only really started in the 80's. I know that I never had anything more than a polio and tetenus vaccine, which is probably in common with many of the mums here that are 30's or over. I know that MMR fopr instance didn't come into effect until the late 80's.

I may be wrong, who knows, but the allergy rise is coming from somewhere and that is one reason for it in my head!

SoupDragon · 13/06/2006 09:32

We're too clean for one. Aren't allergies (very) basically the immune system gone haywire where they identify something as a potential threat and over react? I wouldn't have put it down to vaccines as I always thought they made the immune system fight the disease to create the antibodies, they aren't just the antibodies are they?

As an aside, I wonder if allergies are more common in Precious First Borns rather than Neglected Subsequent Children because we get more lax about stuff...

SenoraPostrophe · 13/06/2006 09:33

sd - there was a study that showed asthma is more common in children with more than 1 sibling, suggesting exactly that!

foxinsocks · 13/06/2006 10:16

I, like bran, also wonder if allergies were just not taken as seriously. Poor dh (in his 40s) had terrible, severe eczema as a child (had to have several emergency treatments) but only when he got to his late teens did he realise himself that he had an egg and chicken allergy. Despite several hospital stay (for this and other things), reactions to anaesthetics and other egg related drugs, nobody suggested he might have an allergy and no-one tested him for anything!

psychomum5 · 13/06/2006 10:29

In my house, out of my 5, they all but 1 have allergies.....but.....DD1 her;s is to medicine, DD2 is to medicine, foods, and she also has asthma and exzma, DD3 is dreadful....allergic to anything and everything but nothing life threatening as yet (fingers crossed, but she does hive and welt), DS1 allergic to nothing. DS2 is the same as DD3:( and they will also be tesitn him for ceoliac disease too.

Myself and DH tho have exzma, asthma and hayfever between us, but niether has all IYKWIM.

i still wonder about it being vaccines related tho.....

Saggarmakersbottomknocker · 13/06/2006 11:22

In our house ds1 doesn't have any allergies, ds2 has just hayfever and dd has excema but I think there's a connection with stress there. I have a sun allergy which I think is a hormone issue, dh isn't allergic to anything.

Mine are older and whilst all had MMR etc they were weaned before most of the current concerns arose - had wheat early and peanut butter on toast as finger food for example.

We're just not an allergic family, thankfully. You sound like you have your hands full psychomum.

psychomum5 · 13/06/2006 12:12

I do:( altho I am used to it now as have had to be. Eating out is a mare tho as I need to vet everything before they can eat. Altho, as none of them have enything life threatening I do sometimes allow them to make their own minds up as to whether they have what they like or me choose for them IYSWIM. the older girls especially know the reactions they have to certain foods (for instance, milk and icecream bulied up will give them tummy ache and 'poorly pooh' (in their words)) and so if they want icecream they weigh it up themselves. (I am rambling a bit there, sorryBlush). DS2 however has me to choose as I am the one who suffers with him...

I know that macdonalds on MN in a bugbear with a fair few parents, but I have to say that they are the most accomodating place to eat for me as they really go out of there way to make allergic families not feal like oddities. AND..they are the only place that have all the info on what is in anything in easy read format. another plus is that if i need a meal for DS2 that is gluten free, they make it no fuss. That definately can't said for other place, brewsters for instance.

soooo....hands full definately, but not overflowingWink

williamsmummy · 13/06/2006 17:34

There are many different reasons ( well theorys) put forward to explain the high rise in allergies. (hygeine theory is the most common)

For a start we have the highest rate of asthma in the world.
And as someone else posted, many asthma deaths may be linked to food, as often an asthma response is the only reaction. We have a high rate of asthma deaths every year as well. which is frightening.

Anaphylaxis has been with us forever, the first recorded death from anaphylaxis was an eygption king who died from a hornet sting.

However allergy skin tests were invented in the 1960's so allergy as a disease is still fairly new.

In the last 100 years infants diets have changed behond all recognition.
during the war infants were put on sugar laden cows milk in tins. so that the mothers could work in the factorys to produce the stuff to win the war.
Breastfeeding declined with the introduction of more medical men, who decided that four hours was how long a adult could digest cows milk and should be the same for booby milk.
1930's onward , breastfeeding for only three months was the norm with a early introduction to cows milk and early solids. wheat being one of the first to be introduced.
Flash forward to our days and more exotic fruit are given as first foods, mango , bananas , etc.
I wonder to if this will back fire on future generations?

My personal theory is that generations of people who develop a high histamine rateing and mild atopic disease, met and produce with others with allergic disease and create a ever higher level of allergic disease, with each generation.

sometimes its masked, and develops as adults, mature women during the menopause sometimes develop shellfish allergy.
There is a whole huge range of allergic disease in this country, and the western world, there must be something going wrong quite badly somewhere. Children in Africa dont get it, because quite frankly they die from the diseases we have stopped. Perhaps they dont simply get the change to develop a allergy problem as they are continually struggling to survive.

For my children i know they have inherited a high chance of developing allergies, i am lucky so far to have only one of my four children to have allergies. He just has more than his fair share!!

Another change of life in the last 100 yrs is the standards of our homes.
Hay fever allergy was first noted by some monk hundreds of years ago, when another monk would fall pray to breathing difficulties each summer.

These days, our windows are sealed and carpets and foors are sealed with many chemicals, and are a fantastic breeding ground for dustmites.

So there are many , many reasons why our children are allergic.

The biggest problem these children have is access to decent medical care. For many children who are living with incorrect medical advice are growing up unprepared to survive if a big reaction should happen.
every death from anaphylaxis is a preventable death.
Its esp shameful that so many of our children are at risk, and the NHS should do more to help support families like mine.
Living with life threatening allergie is not easy , and its a struggle some days to live a normal life.
If given the correct medical advice and support allergies are not a death sentance.
However, if anyone finds a magic wand , could they post it to me?

spidermama · 13/06/2006 17:41

I also find myself wondering if assaults on very young immune systems (eg vaccinations) may have a part to play.

bijou · 13/06/2006 19:53

Plus hat we eat so little of locally grown food...this is a new phenom too.

spidermama · 13/06/2006 19:54

Our soil is depleted in minerals due to pesticides and overuse. We are terribly short termist.

SoupDragon · 13/06/2006 19:57

I don't buy the immune system/vaccination thing. A child's brand new immune system is surely set up to deal with new assults and challenges like vaccines.

SenoraPostrophe · 13/06/2006 20:05

sd - the theory that I've read about is not that young immune systems can't cope with vaccines, it's that vaccines (and over-cleanliness) prevent children from coming into contact with and fighting real germs. their systems over-react when coming into contact with non germy things. but maybe there's another one I don't know about. Like I say, I think the over cleanliness part is the bigger culprit myself.

bijou - why locally grown food?

spidermama · 13/06/2006 20:06

It's not though soupy. Our immune systems work differently. Vaccines by-pass them by putting a cocktail straight into the bloodstream. Normally things have to be filtered through the stomach to get into the blood. Jabs by-pass the careful system nature has put in place.

SoupDragon · 13/06/2006 20:10

Tetanus goes into the blood stream Wink

SoupDragon · 13/06/2006 20:11

(not being ar$ey BTW! I don't really have an opinion or any knowledge)

brimfull · 13/06/2006 20:35

I've often wondered about the vaccine link ,my ds has severe nut allergy and is generally highly atopic.I also agree with the poster who commented that we were blissfully unaware of allergic reactions in the past.My db was allergic to loads of tings and was often covered in hives yet was never tested,60's and 70's.My mum now comments on how swollen his face used to be at times, and nowadays he would have definately have been prescribed an epipen.

My ds definately had violent reactions to his vaccines and he has been homeopathically detoxed from them with amazing reactions ,but I have no idea if they will help his atopic sypmtoms.

spidermama · 13/06/2006 20:44

I was covered in eczema as a young girl and very asthmatic. I only recently worked out it was due to dairy intolerance. It took me til my late 30s to realise this. If only I'd noticed earlier.

fwiw, my brother and I both have allergies whereas my sister doesn't. He and I had various jabs, she didn't. It's not scientific I know, but one tiny part of the the growing bank of experience I draw from when making decisions for my kids.

Heartmum2Jamie · 13/06/2006 20:45

A very interesting topic. I really have no idea what has caused the increase in allergies. All I know if that I did everything I could to avoid them......breastfed, didn't start weaning until 6 months, he didn't eat any solids until he 8 months, didn't eat dangerous foods when pregnant. Ds1 is fine, ds2, has eczema, multiple food allergies, and hayfever. As he has some mild breathing problems, I am not ruling out asthma from his future. Like psychomumof5, we are lucky the so far, ds2's allergies are not life threatening, but that doesn't make them any easier to deal with. I also agree that macdonalds have ben the most accomodating by far and have an easy to read and understand nutritional/allergy list. It is not a bad place to take a child with milk, soya, egg, nut & wheat allergies :)

I am very interested in peoples thoughts as to why allergies are on the rise, but I think it is partly because as parents, we are more aware of what to look out for and dr's are getting better at diagnosing