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ok, so we have friends who are stockpiling tinned goods in preparation for the Avain flu pandemic...

47 replies

Feistybird · 08/06/2006 21:32

..which is reckoned to hit us by the latter half of the year.

Are they overreacting nutters or just taking sensible precautions?

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DominiConnor · 08/06/2006 22:34

Avian flu is but one of many structural break downs.
Fact is that you get serious break downs in society every so often, and Britain has merely been lucky.

Tinned food is OK, but heavy, what if you have to move ? Also what about water ?

People very rarely die directly from hunger, but instead from malnutrition induced disease. Thus food supplements are lighter and are more easily hidden if you think things are going to get very bad. Freeze dried meat lasts a very long time.

1918 was a quite different event to anything we can expect now. The system was appallingly inefficient, but anything that left people alive would leave it intact.

Now the majority of food requires 2 or 3 levels of infrastructure for distribution. Power, fuel (& power for fuel stations), apckers and truckers. Fortunately very little food is carried by rail which is pathetically vulnerable.

The government's plans are frankly scary in their ineptitude, being basically spin to "prevent panic". The priority for vaccines is what you'd expect of the political classes. They are first, then the media, and then the NHS.
What about transport workers ?
Power stations ?
But even if they got all the "right" people what about their families ? Would you go to work if you might bring back infection that would kill your family ?
Do you trust the government to tell you the truth about the risk of this ? Really ?
This is quite independant of party, recall the Tory lies over BSE ? Labour with foot & Mouth ?
The BBC will do what it's told, not least because they are the people who brought us the MMR scandal.

We very nearly had a famine during WWI when they brought in harsh anti-hoarding measures, and caused veryone to use up and dispose of their food stocks in a little bit of a panic.

singersgirl · 08/06/2006 22:40

We know a family stockpiling too, and they are very intelligent, albeit fanatical rationalists (if that makes sense). They were considering quarantine for 3 months, which is roughly how long it might be until a vaccine is available.

After speaking to them, I started to work out a weekly menu... Porridge Monday, Wednesday, Friday.....

themoon66 · 08/06/2006 23:06

I keep in mind (rightly or wrongly) that if me and my family keep ourselves fit and well, we stack the odds on our side for fighting off the virus when it comes. I'm sure it will come and what i've read it seems pretty horrible. I cant see the point at this stage of stockpiling tinned stuff though - a bit nutter-ish.

TheHonArfy · 08/06/2006 23:08

nutters

my bonkers next door neighbours when I was a child kept a whole room of stockpiled food for when the nuclear war came - however, they didn't have a shelter or anything else so really not sure what the rationale behind it all was.....

Piffle · 08/06/2006 23:09

MY ds and his entire yr group went to Norfolk yesterday to a castle for school
Some parents were anti bacterially wiping their kids when they got off the bus!!!!!!!!!!!!
Because a strain of avian flu had been found in Norfolk... Large county and all but hey...

miggy · 08/06/2006 23:21

really hope they are nutters-just bought 7 new chickens today Smile

miggy · 08/06/2006 23:21

Might get some porridge oats in just in case though.................

meysey · 08/06/2006 23:30

sensible!

we haven't told anyone what we are doing, so it can't be us you have in mind :)

(we had thought of it before, but it is one of the suggestions seriously offered by the New Scientist magazine, though there are no guarantees that any precautions will work. there is another suggestion to get sick quick and get the drugs and attention while they are still available!)

just think how empty the supermarket shelves were when there was a minor fuel blockade.... a few lorry drivers reporting in sick and there will be really empty shelves, quite apart from the fact that advice will be to avoid public places

peachyClair · 09/06/2006 11:41

DC you have a point about the vaccination priorities: DH works for TNT distributing newspapers, baby food and foodstuffs as well as mail- but that isn't a priority.

I think it hads to be noted that not everyone who contracts bird flu should it mutate (of which there is no guarantee, the mutation that might occur might also weaken the strain) will die, especially with todays health care. It's sensible to keep your family as match fit as possible which would help them fight anything, but stockpiling? I have my doubts.

Should anyone want to though, doesn't on of the government sites have a list of recommended things? It's stuff like dried apricots (evnergy, fibra and iron) rather than tine iirc.

Kelly1978 · 09/06/2006 11:47

nutters.

Have you been talkign to my mother? She constantly has two boxes of 'stock' which is tinned goods and packet stuff. She has a freezer full of bread and chips in the shed. (their staple diet) Upstairs in the spare room they have hundreds of bottles of water and packets of loo roll reaching to the ceiling. The water started during a scare a few years ago, prob realted to Irag or Al-queda. She had to cut down when my dad told her he was going to have to reinforce the bloody ceilign to support the weight! Grin

bluejelly · 09/06/2006 11:49

Nutters. Although given the scaremongering in the media guess you can't blame them.
Bird flu has been endemic in Asia for several years and has killed less than a hundred people.
Although it could mutate into a more dangerous form, it hasn't yet. Until it does it's very hard to catch.

Am far more concerned about Aids, TB, malaria, almost any other communicable disease which kills millions of people every year.
Oh but they're in the developing world and so don't matter so much [sarcastic emoticon]

PanicPants · 09/06/2006 11:53

I thought it had all gone a bit quiet on the bird flu front. Has there been anymore outbreaks then? Or news?

You all make me want to go and stockpile tins and apricots!!

arfishymeau · 09/06/2006 12:01

Guffaws. The only precautions I took in Thailand (when people were actually dying) was to run in the opposite direction of any chicken and scream "chicken, chicken!".

Didn't stockpile baked beans tbh.

NotQuiteCockney · 09/06/2006 12:07

Oh, god is this from the New Scientist then? DH has been muttering about how we should try to have a bit of food laid up.

I don't think having a few spare bags of brown rice will do any harm, I guess, but can't be bothered, as I fetch that sort of thing on foot.

There's an interesting argument that, if the epidemic is coming, you should try to get the disease early. Apparently the first waves are sometimes less deadly (which is unusual for diseases, come to think of it), but of course if you survive, you're immune to later waves. And the NHS etc will be in a better state during the first waves, so you've got a better chance of getting tamiflu.

So really, we should be out there licking diseased chickens. Or something.

juuule · 09/06/2006 12:33

Well..we would have no chance. With the 11 of us, I couldn't stockpile food if I wanted to. We would have to buy another house just to keep the food in :o

PanicPants · 09/06/2006 15:35

It's threads like this which make me panic, I haven't given bird flu much thought recently but al day I've been thinking I should stock up on rice and things. :(

PanicPants · 09/06/2006 15:35

It's threads like this which make me panic, I haven't given bird flu much thought recently but al day I've been thinking I should stock up on rice and things. :(

Saggarmakersbottomknocker · 09/06/2006 15:58

So panicky you posted twice PanicPants Grin

NCQ - there must be a better way to catch it than lickin' chicken? bring back the turkey twizzlers!

fairyfly · 09/06/2006 16:02

Definitly sensible, if you buy a monkey called bubbles and have never had a real problem in your life.

dinny · 09/06/2006 16:08

why not just do on-line shopping if there is an outbreak? Wink
sorry, not read thread in total - proba been said!

PanicPants · 09/06/2006 17:30

lol smbk

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