MMR DROP IN CLINICS ACROSS WALES TOMORROW - please get yours

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You can turn up to various venues
Ystrad Mynach Hospital
Belle Vue Surgery Newport
Children's Centre, CRI
Children's Centre, llandough

Don't worry if you're not sure If your dc has had booster, you can still attend.

Please protect all our children

I think the choice should be available Randall, that's all. I don't like the all or nothing/one size fits all approach.

But you must have a reason for wanting a choice. That's what I was getting at.

Why do you think the NHS should offer both options to everyone?

The UK vaccine program offers several combined vaccines, is it that you would prefer all vaccines to be available as singles?

I once had someone tell me I shouldnt wash down Anadin Extra with Diet Coke because you shouldnt mix paracetamol and caffeine. But when I looked on the box it said that Anadin Extra already contained caffeine!

When I told her that, she got really funny and defensive and still wouldn't take it back! Some people just get funny ideas about things and won't be told otherwise.

bumbly, I did say ignoring the fact you wouldn't give aspirin to a child.

Most people are fine with Lemsip. But you want the doctor to offer all parents the three ingredients of Lemsip to be spaced out just in case they have a reaction to one element, which you wouldn't know about in advance and which they probably won't have because most people are fine with Lemsip?
Isn't that a major faff if they are going to react to the individual ingredient anyway? If you're allergic to caffeine, you're going to be allergic to it however it's given.

Because without the choice some people are choosing to have nothing because they don't want/trust the MMR. Some people also don't need all 3 components (because they may already be immune to one or more of them) but they have to get them all anyway. Some people think that's not an issue but what other medications would you take that you don't actually need?

I do actually think there is an argument to be made for having other vaccines split as well. For example, if you need a whooping cough booster, you can only get it in combination (usually with Tetanus and Diptheria) and too many Tetanus boosters are not a good thing.

There are plenty of people who thought they didn't want or trust the MMR who seem to have changed their minds now the chips are down. Improving trust in the MMR is the key, not undermining it.

Sorry, Noble - I probably didnt make myself clear.

This person was claiming that mixing caffeine and paracetamol at the same time was bad and that if taken separately they were ok - that they somehow 'combined' to make something bad. Which was nonsense as both are in the same tablet!

I thought thats what you were getting at when talking about single vaccines and MMR.

You didn't answer my question noble - do you think a doctor would encourage you to continue on taking Lemsip or would they suggest an alternative if you had a reaction?

Yes, most people would be fine with the Lemsip but for those who aren't, do they get no alternative?

Also, as I said before, if there is a risk involved in them not having one of the ingredients then maybe they would need to proceed with caution with the separate ingredients.

It's not a great analogy really - is it?

They don't all of a sudden want/trust it - they've just been forced into it because they don't have an alternative. Some people still aren't having it and are still unprotected against measles.

bumblymummy - if youre vaccinnated against something that youre already vaccinnated against then its not going to do anything because youve already got immunity! So I dont understand when youre saying this is a problem. it makes no sense.

And then you say singles are OK and MMR isn't but you cant or wont say why. That makes no sense either.

I didn't say it was a problem as such - just that it's unnecessary - would you take other medications in combination even if you didn't need them all? (and actually too many tetanus boosters isn't a good idea so in some cases it isn't great that they're all bundled together)

HAven't said MMR isn't ok anywhere.

Have to head out. Back later.

And you seem to be saying 'some people cant take Lemsip so no-one should have Lemsip'

No, Hugo, I haven't said that about Lemsip either

'Yes, most people would be fine with the Lemsip but for those who aren't, do they get no alternative? "

Where does it say that they should all have something else?

Bumbley, I've already said that the NHS recommends caution where a child has had a previous reaction to the vaccine. So no, the doctor doesn't simply continue recommending Lemsip to that child.

All I'm trying to do is get to the absolute crux of the issue.

I am aware that people have concerns, what I'm interested to know is what those concerns are and why they have them.

I'm not talking about already identified contra-indications, I'm not talking about people who are completely anti-vac, I mean the general, average parent who's child as no pre-identified issues. Why do they "not trust" this vaccine in particular?

I can respect your preference for singles options for all vacs. I don't agree with you but I can appeared that you would see that as a way of isolating a cause and being able to attribute a reaction to a specific vac. I can also see that it would be a way of avoiding a child having a vaccine the don't need.

I'm just trying to find some facts related specifically to the MMR vaccine.

*appreciate, not appeared.

Bumblymummy - so if you agree that most people are fine with Lemsip why won't you even say that most people are fine with MMR when all the facts say that they are?

Not in Wales but just dropping in here to say I've made an appointment this morning for my pre-teen/teen DCs to have their MMR's in a week or so. Started another little thread about it in AIBU "To think that response to outbreak in Wales has been too slow"
But is good that these clinics are being held, and that on the whole attitude has been fairly un-judgemental towards parents for past decisions

This is what I'm having trouble with. If parents have concerns regarding the safety of the MMR, why are singles ok? I've repeatedly asked this and have yet to have an answer. Why on earth should we be offering singles when there appears to be absolutely no scientific evidence that the chances of detrimental effects would be lower in a child receiving a single measles vaccine vs the MMR? No one has said that taking a child for an MMR is 100% risk free, but nor is taking them for a single measles vaccine!

And why are too many tetanus boosters 'a bad thing'? I'm genuinely interested as I have never heard that before.

Could anyone let me know where I can find reliable information on the risk of measles to children who are in-between their two vaccines? I cant seem to find anything on the NHS website, but i could be looking in the wrong places.

DS is 2.5, and had his first MMR at 12 months, but his booster jab is not for another year. I can't seem to find any info on whether or not he is at risk in this in-between period?

We are supposed to be making a trip to South Wales, to an area where I believe there have been cases of measles, and I want to get a sensible perspective on the level of risk.

bumbleymummy Wed 24-Apr-13 12:31:04
I didn't say it was a problem as such

bumbleymummy Wed 24-Apr-13 12:31:50
HAven't said MMR isn't ok anywhere.

Hooray, that's settled then. I did ask Bumbley a few times on a different thread if she knew a reason not to use it, but she didn't.

AngryGnome

Have you seen

www.nhs.uk/Conditions/vaccinations/Pages/mmr-vaccine-when-needed.aspx

Near the top, under "Children who need the MMR vaccine" where they talk about the second dose increasing from 90% to 99%
and
Towards the bottom, under "Measles outbreaks"

Angry I asked that on another thread and I was advised that they are protected up to a point but not fully protected until the second dose.

I was also advised by my doctor that there is no harm at all in bringing the second vac forward so if you are going to be travelling to an affected area I would speak to your surgery and I'm sure they would be happy to make an appointment for you.