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New Year, New Diet

44 replies

Enid · 28/12/2001 21:41

Sorry to do this, but I am already planning. Last year lost pounds by having porridge for breakfast, beans on toast (no butter) for lunch and something from the Good Housekeeping Low fat cookbook for supper. Oh and no alcohol...

How I'm dreading it this year.

Support and tips desperately needed.

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dm2 · 03/01/2002 17:16

Tigermoth - I see your points - and I'm thinking about them (whilst waving humpty dumpty at the baby).
Personally I've never been to a slimming club, I just believe that they do a good job in educating and supporting people who need it.
When I lost weight by 'calorie counting' (quite a long time ago)I just did it with the aid of a calorie book and a lot of willpower.

wendym - I've done a quick search on PCOS - according to one source its the insulin problems that cause the lack of ovulation. This could mean that by using the GI diet to control my weight, I started to ovulate again and got pg.
I might owe the existance of my gorgeous ds to this diet - definitely a good reason to do it .

Tinker · 03/01/2002 20:49

In support of Lil and Tigermoth here. I know a lot of women love talking about diets and for them it is very bonding, but nothing is more guaranteed to make my eyes glaze over during a converstaion than diet talk.

Crunchie · 03/01/2002 22:20

Well I don't want to bore about diet clubs, and before I went I didn't see the point. I was of the opinion that I could do it on my own. For me the clubs worked because I am competitive and therefore I had to take responsibility over my intake of food, and I couldn't give up. I know loads of people who do fail via clubs, and more who succeed and then regain the weight. That is why I keep going when I can, perhaps it 'guilts' me into eating carefully I don't know. Alos perhaps I have replaced the 'bad' food obssession with a 'good' food one, but I can now eat loads of food, and enjoy the right foods and lose weight. I can also enjoy the less 'right' foods in mderation rather than eating then secretly and then feeling guilty!

The metobolic rate thing is interesting, as I read an article just a few days ago about this. I suggests that each one of us has a different 'base' rate for calorific needs, and that in various people these base rates can differ up to 300 cals a day. On top of that you can add exercise to give you a higher usage of calories. It suggests that if we all ate approx our base rate needs, instead of dieting a bit of extra exercise would ensure we lost weight. However it also said that there are many factors that effect this base rate, and one of the main factors was fitness when you are still a child/teenager. The person they measured with the highest rate was someone who did exercise a little now, but was a real sporty type in their childhood. Other factors that effect this base rate is current weight (the bigger you are the more cals you need) and genetics.

So what I am trying to say is exercise not only has immediate effects on metobolic rate, its effects last years as the body gets used to using its fuel quickly. Food for thought (!) we all need to make sure our kids are more active, as this will make sure they are thinner in the long run.

wendym · 04/01/2002 09:28

Dm2 - you're probably right about the diet being responsible for conceiving. This is from a news group discussion of causes of PCOS

"Impaired fertility is a prominent feature of PCOS. This is believed to result from elevated insulin levels that stimulate excess androgen production by the ovaries. *The androgens cause premature follicular wasting which causes
inconsistent or absent ovulation, which is associated with infertility. "

Reducing your insulin levels by careful eating probably allowed you to ovulate.

In case you didn't already know women with PCOS have higher risks of heart disease and of developing diabetes later in life. It isn't know if this is a result of the weight gain or not. So it makes a lot of sense for you to be aware of GI values when you are eating especially if you want more children. It may also avoid the possible heart disease/diabetes risk. If you ever need more info on PCOS I can recommend Verity. Not too expensive - about £15 a year.

Enid · 04/01/2002 09:32

tinker, you are probably reading the wrong thread in that case.

Still hanging out here for any low-fat supper ideas, if that doesn't make me seem like a boring woman with nothing else to talk about...

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TigerMoth1 · 04/01/2002 11:28

Crunchie, thanks for that information on metabolic rates. It's interesting to think that lots of exercise in childhood can have such a far reaching effect. My 7 year old son is a little plump, just like I was at his age. Apart from moderating his diet a bit, we are really trying to play it down. Unfortunately, thanks to school he is already self conscious about it and says he is fat, which he most definitely is not. It makes me so cross that he can't just be a child. He is very active, so I hope - and believe - that his puppy fat phase will pass.

I can only draw on my own experience, but for me weight loss is very much linked with exercise and, I assume, a raised metabolism.

I used to run market stalls at weekends, and go in buying expeditions during the week - lots of heavy work loading and unloading a large car, setting up the stall etc -I confess I ate more than anyone I knew - all week, not just on stall days (both dh and work colleagues commented on it!) and still maintained my shape and even went down over a size during a year when I was working extra hard. When I stopped this physically demanding work, I found, of course, that I was getting bigger and had to reduce my food intake somewhat.

However, this is just how it works for me. Reading these messages shows how difficult it is to generalise about how individuals can achieve a weight loss, as WendyM's informative posts here illustrate. That's another reason why I get turned off by 'miracle' diet programmes.

Just wondered, if you go to a dietician, do you get tested first for things like PCOS before they recommend a diet to you?

wendym · 04/01/2002 12:40

Women with PCOS usually have irregular periods so tend to know they have a problem. However there is a wide range of symptoms including acne, excess hair, dark skin under arms and breasts, obesity and even lethargy. You aren't considered to have PCOS unless you have polycstic ovaries and some other symptom. However there are women with polycstic ovaries and none of these symptoms. They are normally only identified by chance during examination for something else. These women may have a degree of insulin resistance and hence gain weight easily without realising why.

Dieticians are not, judging from the news group, generally a lot of help even when you know you have PCOS. Endocrinologists seem to be the most helpful folk.

dm2 · 04/01/2002 12:57

Wendym - thanks for the info on Verity - will look into it. Have started cutting out the high GI foods again, the thought of being able to have another baby is spurring me on.

Crunchie - great info on metabolic rates - thanks. It's good to know that by encouraging children to exercise we can make a long term impact in their health.

Robinw - just re-read your post on Glycaemic indices, I seem to remember pasta as being high GI (although my book is also out on loan so I can't check - I'm going to do a search now).

Enid - have you started your diet yet - I'm racking my brains for some recipes/tips for you, good luck

Marina · 04/01/2002 13:05

Wendym, another helpful reply - you are a mine of information . Having read your description of PCOS symptoms, I have decided I am just a porker who needs to start eating sensibly, and as Tigermoth says, combining that with EXERCISE .

Enid · 04/01/2002 13:12

dm2, no, haven't started yet...friends down this weekend so slobbing and pigging out continues till Monday at least...

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dm2 · 04/01/2002 14:25

Enid - for an easy low fat dinner - homepride do a low fat mild curry sauce in a jar, just add to veggies or some browned meat (i'm veggie). Its a change from all the inevitable tomato based sauces.

dm2 · 04/01/2002 14:32

Oh. and if everyone else in family is eating something high fat try Ross's frozen Admirals pie -if you eat fish - only about 350 cals but really creamy, cheap, filling especially with loads of veg and about 10 mins in the microwave.
I do cook from scratch sometimes honest!

dm2 · 04/01/2002 14:49

Oh. and if everyone else in family is eating something high fat try Ross's frozen Admirals pie -if you eat fish - only about 350 cals but really creamy, cheap, filling especially with loads of veg and about 10 mins in the microwave.
I do cook from scratch sometimes honest!

dm2 · 04/01/2002 14:50

whoops!

robinw · 04/01/2002 19:26

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SueDonim · 05/01/2002 00:31

I need to lose some weight, too. Just a few pounds, although half a stone would be nice. I wonder about doing a diet regime or will 'careful' eating do it? I've only had a weight problem in the past five years, so dieting is a fairly new experience for me

Once school goes back I hope to lose a pound or two. Although it's just only a couple of hundred yards away even that short burst of exercise seemed to help keep the weight off last term.

Nance · 05/01/2002 10:52

Dear All

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wendym · 07/01/2002 10:39

Marina - I did make it sound terrible didn't I? Should have said that polycystic ovaries and irregular or non-existent periods are the main symptoms but that some people have regular periods and excess hair or any other combination. Some unfortunates do get the lot though. It was only through joining Verity, and then a mailing list, that I learnt much about the problem. Anyway off to the Atkins section now as I've decided I need to be as low carb as possible.

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