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prevenar &MMR

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sfxmum · 15/03/2006 22:07

spoke to the nurse at my local practice today, and she mentioned that these vaccines would be offered together at 12months! is this the norm?

my dd is 9m and we are still thinking about what to do re vaccines.

any ideas opinions? thanks

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Eve2005 · 15/03/2006 22:11

over here it's the Hib booster and the mmr that are given around the same time. my doctor told me they can safely be given together but as one is a live vaccine and the other a dead vaccine and they attack the system in differant ways he doesn't ever do it as he thinks its too rough on the child. she had the Hib a month ago and is getting mmr this week.

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sfxmum · 15/03/2006 22:15

thanks for reply, i thought these two were quite potent but was told they would be given on the same day. really not sure about this...

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Eve2005 · 15/03/2006 22:16

if your not happy about it don't allow it, they can't give either without your permission. the mmr is a massive strain on the immune system, better to take no chances.

LIZS · 15/03/2006 22:16

prevenar is new though so there may not be much general experience yet.

Socci · 15/03/2006 22:24

I would always space out vaccines to minimise risks.

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sfxmum · 15/03/2006 22:27

yes nothing happening before we make a proper decision it just seems very forceful. i know a few people keen on prevenar that would avoid MMr at least until much later.
must go back and read more on this. thanks

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amyjade · 16/03/2006 09:16

New Vaccination Schedule:

2 months:
5-in-one - Hib meningitis, diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough and polio
Pneumococcal vaccine

3 months:
5-in-one - Hib meningitis, diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough and polio
MenC vaccine

4 months:
5-in-one - Hib meningitis, diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough and polio
Pneumococcal vaccine
MenC vaccine

12 months:
Hib/MenC booster

13 months:
MMR - Measles, mumps and rubella
Pneumococcal vaccine

Catch up:
Pneumococcal vaccine will be offered to all children under the age of two years

Hope this helps.

expatinscotland · 16/03/2006 09:28

my surgery has not instituted this new vaccine schedule and steadfastly refuse to do so until compelled.

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sfxmum · 16/03/2006 10:13

thanks amyjade & expat
the schedule at my surgery seems to be different. the booster is to be given later, apparently.
i am concerned about the very conflicting info. as i understand it prevenar has 7 diff. 'things' in it.

the more i read about it the more i would like read about it...

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Eve2005 · 16/03/2006 11:45

my doctor strongly suggested giving the Hib first as the reason it's being giving is that the strain it's designed to protect against has started infecting already vaccinated children and seems to be becoming more virulent. it has a 50% fatality rate whereas measales, mumps and rubella have very low fatality rates.

also the first three vacs are spaced at 2,4 and 6 months here to give the body more time to adjust and recover.

ruty · 16/03/2006 12:40

Eve2005 thats interesting but i was a bit confused by what you said. do you mean it is a new Hib vaccine designed to protect better than the old vaccine did, or did you mean that it is the same Hib vaccine, but Hib is infecting vaccinated children anyway? Sorry, genuinely interested, because Hib is something i'm worried about.

expatinscotland · 16/03/2006 12:43

my dd1 had the old Hib. she's 2.8. any immunity conferred by this is now known to wane after 1 year. i asked the GP about a booster for her, only to be fobbed off. nice.

bastards. i'm considering going to the US to get her a booster.

ruty · 16/03/2006 12:51

but i don't quite understand how a new vaccine for the same bacteria can be more effective. i know in 2003 they found the vaccine they were giving was not so effective because of its combination in the four in one, so they introduced a booster. but i was told with the new five in one this was no longer a problem. so either vaccinated children are becoming more suspectible to Hib and it is finding ways of infecting children despite the vaccine, or they have recently found a better vaccine, but i don't know quite how that would work, and i haven't heard of a new vaccine since the five in one. any light shed on this much appreciated!

expatinscotland · 16/03/2006 13:51

if this HV calls me ONE MORE TIME i'm gonna go postal!

she just phoned AGAIN. wants to 'review' dd1s speech.

i told her, 'read the notes! she's delayed on everything! what is the point of my bringing her in there again so you can tell me what i already know?'

then she hounded me about putting her in a state nursery. she'll be 3 in june.

i told her, 'she's delayed, okay. she's not potty-trained and won't be by autumn. i can tell you that. so i can't put her in state nursery. she's going to go to the private nursery attached to my work 2 days/week to get some socialisation.'

she then tried to palm off some twaddle about how the nursery filters into a primary school. but i know that's not so. the school down the street from us is oversubscribed. they're trying to shunt kids into another school that is unsuitable for dd1, seeing as that the paed feels pretty certain she's going to have learning difficulties, too.

great!

i told this HV, 'look, i'm not interested in my kids being part of someone's idea of a social experiment. if they won't have her at the school down the road, she's going private. end of. '

wtf! yeah, i really want my learning disabled child stuck in a class of 40 mixed age kids. that's gonna do wonders for her!

f'ing council.

i'm p**sed off w/this crap, can you tell?

Eve2005 · 16/03/2006 13:54

the way my doc explained it was that they're hoping that the kids who got it who'd had the vac simply hadn't built up enough immunity so they're giving them all boosters to strengthen their immunity to it.

expatinscotland · 16/03/2006 14:04

Well, they're sure not offering boosters to kids who were vaccinated in 2003 up here. Cheap b*stards.

ruty · 16/03/2006 15:40

wow expat - you seriously have a dreadful HV. Like you need all that cr*p on top of everything else.
Thanks Eve2005 for that info. I still don't quite get it though. There was an article in the guardian a while back about there being 100 cases of Hib amongst vaccinated children, so they'd introduced a booster just for the 2003 vaccinated kids, but the new five in one vax would not require a hib booster. So were they wrong again? Doesn't make me trust that this particular vaccine is working at the moment.

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