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dd didn't have mmr as a baby, (now 12), thinking about getting her it now, any advice please?

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katyrocks · 13/03/2006 17:25

i didn't have dd vaccinated with mmr when she was a tot, as I believed my son had an adverse reaction. I'm now wondering if I should have her vaccinated, as I know that measles in adulthood can be serious. Any advice?

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getbakainyourjimjams · 13/03/2006 19:17

My younger 2 haven't had any jabs (ds1 is vaccine damaged we believe) but I may well get MMR/single measles if they haven't had measles by the time they start puberty.

Unless you have gut problems then may be worth doing. If you look up Dr Danzack's website he gives a regime of supplements to take before MMR. Not sure if he mentions vitamin A BUT I'D DOSE (saorry) up on that - cod liver oil contains lots- before the jab as well.

Passionflower · 13/03/2006 20:19

I had the MMR jab after DD3 was born, because my rubella immunity measured very low when I had my pregnancy bloods done. It made me feel crap for several days, but I would get your DD done if I were you. Surely it's really important for her to have rubella immunity as an adult in case she's exposed to it while pregnant.

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katyrocks · 13/03/2006 21:04

thanks girls, thats what I was thinking - I know rubella immunity is important. I was concerned about it having bad side-effects with her being older, (like being unwell). My son is on Eye-Q, do you think that would help? will check out the website jimjams

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Passionflower · 13/03/2006 21:18

It just makes you feel unwell for a few days, bit like when you get travel jabs done IYSWIM. The maternity ward did mine three days after DD was born.

getbakainyourjimjams · 13/03/2006 21:23

Eye-Q doesn't contain any vitamin A (no supplements do- except in the form of carotenes but you need retinol). A few doses of cod liver oil would do the trick. Nordic naturals is a good brand if you can get it. It's the best thing for dealing with measles infection.

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katyrocks · 13/03/2006 21:57

jj - i also think my son is vaccine damaged - hence no mmr for dd. I had measles myself when i was 5 yrs old. My mum said I was ill for weeks and she was upset when dd didn't have mmr. its getting the cod liver oil into her that will be tricky!!

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getbakainyourjimjams · 13/03/2006 22:01

I had measles aged 8, was ill but fine iykwim. Once I'd got over the worst bit my Mum went back to work (dad was at sea) and I was sent to play with my friend who had whooping cough (!) until I was allowed back to school. My mum is deaf in one ear from measles, but having the ds1 experience is not keen on vax now. It is much nastier post puberty- anthroposophical drs who use a mix of orthodox and alternative therapies recommend not giving measles jab unless the child doesn't get it before puberty when they recommend it (think they recommend either single or MMR). Always seemed sensible.

getbakainyourjimjams · 13/03/2006 22:04

Nordic naturals do a flavoured cod liver oil- and also capsules- the capsules are easy to take (for a 12 year old). I can't get ds1 to have it anymore (shame because he did well on it and stopped all the weird visual stuff he does), but wherever I hide it he can sniff it out! Cod liver oil is pretty rank. Normal liver would do as well- but also rank :o

I think Dr Danzak recommends vitamin C and zinc in various combinations and some homeopathy too iirc.

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katyrocks · 13/03/2006 22:21

i'm worried about the post-puberty effects, as she definitely is right in the middle of it now. do you know what the risks are post-p? I should have done this a couple of years ago, but tbh, I forgot all about it until the other week when someone mentioned measles. really appreciate the advice!

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getbakainyourjimjams · 13/03/2006 22:33

Risks from the jab? Not sure- but not huge I think because its routinely given to women who have no rubella protection (although of course they may have measles antibodies already). What sort of reaction did your son have? Um I suppose you could always look into getting your dd's urine tested for IAG or something if you were worried she might be more at risk (is kind of a test for leaky gut). The risk of a severe MMR reaction is very small - although probably more likely in a subset of children- and if your son was in that subset then of course your dd may be more at risk. With no gut problems though I would think the risk would still be very small (whereas the risk from the actual disease will be increasing).

The risks from measles is higher post puberty- for all the complications. Also of course having a daughter there's the rubella issue.

Sympathies if ds2 and ds3 don't get measles I'll be doing the same in a few years (and I must admit I dont particulalry want then to get measles!)

expatinscotland · 13/03/2006 22:36

i had mmr at 18 - i had it as an infant, too, but that was back in the days when they only gave one dose at 18 months, then found out it doesn't confer immunity in adulthood (duh!). it hurt but that was about it. i had to have it to matriculate into a US university.

expatinscotland · 13/03/2006 22:38

my mother also lost hearing in one ear from measles when she was age 7, and i walk to work 3x/week w/a man who went completely blind and became deaf in one ear when his measles went into meningitis. he was also 7 when this happened.

Fauve · 13/03/2006 22:42

We have gut issues. I sympathise - it's not easy, is it? My approach is the alternative/homeopathic one - that I'll strengthen their immune systems as much as is humanly possible, then be ready to nurse/treat them through any of the illnesses they may catch. It's just dawning on me that I'll need to educate them to be able to treat themselves if they're at college, and to have a homeopath on hand.

getbakainyourjimjams · 13/03/2006 22:43

hey expat- guess what- they only give the infant dose in the UK!

knew you'd like that one :o

getbakainyourjimjams · 13/03/2006 22:45

Following on from Fauve's point I do have the homeopathic nosides in stock at home for all the childhood illnesses. Came in useful when ds2 was exposed to whooping cough as a baby.

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katyrocks · 13/03/2006 22:48

thanks for all the advice. DS had recurrent ear infections, chest infections, constant joint pain and hyperactivity; sudden onset after mmr. he now has ADD and difficulty writing. At the time i was convinced that the mmr was responsible, but i know the consequences of measles can be devastating...

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Fauve · 13/03/2006 22:49

Yes, as I understand it, they can be taken by pregnant women if exposed.

expatinscotland · 13/03/2006 22:49

homeopathic nosides? care to elaborate, jimjams? what is this? i'm genuinely curious, b/c we have delayed dd2s jabs.

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katyrocks · 13/03/2006 23:06

when they were little i relied upon homeopathy a lot. ds and dd were aware of the basic remedies in the first-aid kit and when they were to be used. i took ds to a homeopath when he was really poorly at the age of 5. he has never had a ear/chest infection since then. (now 14 - don't want to tempt fate!)

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getbakainyourjimjams · 14/03/2006 00:56

sorry- spelling error- meant nosodes. They're taken from the disease itself- so whooping cough nosode (pertussin) is made from coughed up gunk (diluted then diluted then diluted etc untilthere's no original substance left). If you've ever heard people talk of homeopathic vaccination that's what they mean. A lot of homeopaths don't really agree with using them like that (for reasons as diverse as theydon't think you should give anything if not needed to there being no proof of efficiacycompared to orthodox jabs) but most agree they can be given after an exposure.

Funny was talking to someone today who works on placebo effects etc and he was saying that some studies really show a greater than placebo effect. IME homeopathy has worked beautifully at times. I'm up with ds3 atm (croup), and I almost used a remedy with him- didn't because wasn't sure which one- ad a steamy kitchen did the trick.

Personally I think homeopaths and quantum physicists should work together more. If there is a valid effect- that will be how it works.

Yes measles can be devastating, but ds1's (presumed) vaccine damage has been devastating, he'll require 24 hour care for the rest of his life. It's what makes the decisions so hard and why I think you have to constantly weigh up the pros and cons of vaccinating at any particular time. The risk of ADD will be much less now as at 12 so much more development has occurred. The joint pain sounds quite likely to be a rubella side effect (its a listed one), so maybe look into singles?

getbakainyourjimjams · 14/03/2006 00:58

Sorry 2nd paragraph a bit nonsensical- I meant that some studies show a "real" effect for homeopathy. Something that amazes me is how much effect placebo plays in orthodix drugs (not talking about jabs).

ruty · 14/03/2006 14:45

jimjams i wanted to ask you - do you know what kind of dose you should give of cod liver oil should dreaded measles occur?

yoyo · 14/03/2006 15:08

Jimjams - so if you haven't given the booster it would be wise to get it done before puberty too (if the infant dose doesn't provide immunity to adulthood)? I haven't done the hib or Men c either so I suppose I'll have to consider giving them all at some stage soon.

ruty · 14/03/2006 15:10

yoyo it depends how old your child is. Apparently Hib isn't necessary over five years old, that's what i was told anyway.

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katyrocks · 14/03/2006 20:41

sorry to hear about your ds, jj, thanks for the advice, I'm going to get some info tomorrow

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