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Who here actually does pelvic floor exercises??

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ICanTuckMyBoobsInMyPockets · 22/08/2012 23:40

And how do you remind yourself?
I've just started gone back to exercise in general and got a bit of a shock when a little bit of wee came out when I ran Blush.
I was so paranoid I hardly moved the rest of the session.
I know I need to do them, surely I can't be the only one who does 2 squeezes then starts making a shopping list in my head?
Come on, spill not wee

OP posts:
Olympicnmix · 30/08/2012 20:22

Megfox, you can embrace your inner fanny bucket; I choose not to.

DontstepontheMomeRaths · 05/09/2012 21:22

I saw this on facebook today and it made me laugh and think of this thread again: www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=417992768236234&set=a.383774281658083.75337.247389391963240&type=1&theater

Hope it works Smile

Virgil · 05/09/2012 22:55

Sad I popped into health to ask a question about wetting myself twenty times a day due to a horrible persistent cough, clearly I have some pelvic work to do. In the meantime, whilst doing the elevator I have just has another coughing fit and it's happened again

And again Sad

nankypeevy · 06/09/2012 18:42

Been away from the thread for a bit - middley kid been poorly. Which has given me lots of time to sit at the laptop figuring out A Plan.

I did suggest to MN that I could do a pelvic floor thingie - not heard back. But, I did it on a "report the thread" thing, and I expect they are somewhat busy with thread reporting at the moment...Hmm

So, I decided to get myself some sort of profile as a fanjo physio...

Pelvic floor parties. We are all a bit less secure than we used to be. It's only embarrassing because it's a taboo, and because there is a significant number of people who ACCEPT pishing themselves (*Megfox, I'm looking at you. Incontinence is not a natural part of ageing, you don't need to put up with it and if you have an ishoo just now, you'd do well to get some help sooner rather than later. It only gets worse, and you might not mind a wee bit of wee, but how would you feel about a wee bit of poo dribbling out?) ...where was I?

Ah, so, I have decided to trial combining what women like me enjoy (drinking wine and talking about themselves) with delivering the information they need to get control of their continence. They'd all know each other, so would become a self supporting group (that's a wee joke I made up, boom boom) and can remind each other to do the exercises and encourage each other to stick with it.

So, a sort of mix of Pampered Chef and Weight Watchers - but without buying crap you don't want or eating anything healthy at all.

@gussiegrips on twitter

gusset grippers

gussetgrippers on facebook

Am going to trial it in Edinburgh to start off with. Just waiting on a fandabby model of a pregnant pelvic floor being delivered, and then I'm off with some guinea pigs some willing volunteers.

Any feedback would be gratefully received, I'd really like to do a thread on MN - it makes perfect sense to promote continence here.

Am rather proud of the name, all my own work too.

DontstepontheMomeRaths · 06/09/2012 21:10

I love it. Just read the whole blurb Smile

PlentyOfPubeGardens · 06/09/2012 21:13

I do mine every time this thread title pops up in active convos Grin

Thanks
Hoopsadazy · 06/09/2012 22:06

sorry, am late to the party here, but enjoyed the last 6 pages. Think your idea is fab Nanky!!

I have a question for you: quick squeezes = easy peasy. Quivering, wobbly leg orgasms = no probs. 'Holding' squeeze for ten seconds = what?? Either am doing it wrong on have no idea how this is supposed to work. Or the lift thing. I do suffer minor prolapse and have been to physio ages ago. Massive improvement after electro stuff (scary idea, but worked a treat, in case anyone can't find their pf and was wondering). Will the 'hold' bit come in time? Has been over a year several months since saw physio. I have a damanged coccyx and there was talk of an xray to see if a bit of bone that has broken off and floated away might be a problem, but it never got done. Am I just lazy and not doing my 'blardy exercises' enough?

5madthings · 06/09/2012 22:41

sounds like a great idea!

Hoopsadazy · 07/09/2012 08:43

After more discussion here last night, two more questions!!

  1. Should I try to hold pee a lot more rather than peeing at every opportunity - I do pee a lot, but have always done so. Should I be giving the muscles something to do instead?
  1. DH now worried as I mentioned you had mentioned men and he thinks that actually he might really need to start asap. Very brave of him to mention to me!! :) Can you do some info for us to pass onto our men as well as we all know they are not good at going to the doctor, etc.

Thanks

nankypeevy · 07/09/2012 09:29

hoops great questions:

there are different muscles with different functions in bladder control which have different uses in continence management. you have neatly described the difference between stress incontinence (muscles too weak to support the neck of the bladder) and urinary frequency (gotta go, always going, peeing every half an hour)

So, the "hold" is for when you are bursting for the loo, but there isn't one. Think of when the "seatbelts on" sign goes on in a plane. You just have to hold it in. After a wee while of "holding" the urge to pee will pass, and you'll get another few minutes before having to do the jiggy leg, wriggly dance.

10 secs is roughly how long it takes for the sensation of INEEDTOPEE to pass. To be honest, there's not much proper research to back that up, just years of it working. There is a bit of work that says you should hold it for as long as you can, until the muscle fatigues - but the problem with that is you can't FEEL the contraction for very long.

So, hold for as long as you think you can feel the contraction. Let go. You should feel a "drop" No drop, you've lost the contraction because the muscle's too weak to sustain it for that long. Do it again. but for half the time - got the drop? Do that, keep working on it, add in time, you'll get to 10 secs, usually you'll notice a difference within a week or two.

The other thing - should I wait? is Interesting.

Yes, is the short answer.

Imagine your bladder is a balloon with a layer of muscle on the inside. As the bladder balloon fills with urine it stretches and gets bigger. The muscle on the inside also stretches. When the muscle reaches it's "I'm really stretched" setting, it' triggers a nerve impulse to your brain which tells you "you need a pee"

Now. People who have accidents get worried about it happening again. So, they go to the loo at the first urge.

Which is logical, but not helpful in the long run. Emptying your bladder before it is full means the muscle is never stretched as much as it can be. That means the "trigger point" is re-set to a point where your bladder has a lower volume than before your accident. So, you feel like you have to go more often. And you are already worried about disgracing yourself...so you go.

There are people who pee every 10 minutes. Loads of em. They can't hold down jobs, they can't go out, they can't go shopping, they can't socialise - these are the people who become continence cripples. Bloody awful. It's also fixable...

Keep a bladder diary - keep a note of when you pee, how often you pee, and how much you drink for a week or so. Then you'll know exactly what you need to change.

When you feel you need to go - do 10 fast twitches. Ignore it, distract yourself. See if you can wait another three minutes before actually going to the loo.

It's just a muscle like any other - keeping adding a couple of minutes, or a couple of seconds will make it change within a couple of weeks.

Your husband is AWESOME! In 20 years I have never, ever met a man who would volunteer that he thinks he's got a problem.

Men's pelvic floors work in exactly the same way. They have fewer problems because their pelvis is smaller(so the mechanics are different) have less trauma to their muscles (because they don't need to do pregnancy and birth) and they dont' tend to have women's anxiety about peeing because they can pee standing up and aren't tied to needing to find a toilet.

Howevah. Their basket of muscles holding up all their guts ages in the same way as ours (stretches as we get older) and they have the added problem of the prostate gland.

If the gland is enlarged, it's weighing on their pelvic floor and interfering with the way urine flows out.

Men who experience dribbling after they stop peeing (not just one wee drip because they are too lazy to wipe it away. More than that, often in two or three sets AFTER they feel like the pee is finished They do a lot of weeing on the floor) farting when they run or a loss of stiffy stand-uppi-ness might have a weak pelvic floor.

They can strengthen it in exactly the same way as we do - but they have even fewer cues to tell them they are doing a contraction. If he imagines he's trying not to fart, that's the muscle working.

If he's not sure, the most straightforward way of checking is for him to stick a finger up his bum (or, find a willing volunteer), imagine he's trying not to fart, and see whether there is any tightening round the finger.

Or, the more amusing version - get him to see whether he can twitch his stiffy. So, he has an erection (see willing volunteer mentioned above) and he should be able to make it move backwards and forwards - in time to the beat of whatever your favourite sexytime music is.

Try not to laugh. Menfolk's don't like to have thier willies laughed at.

If the muscle is weak, there might not be much twitch. So, stick a tissue on the top, or tie a ribbon round it - something that will act as a visual cue to show the movement.

Yes, really, really, try not to laugh. Unless he is, because he's going to look pretty stupid now.

10 twitches, hold for a count of 10, lift to the 3rd floor.

It's way more difficult to get men to comply - can you see why? Usually telling them they'll get a hard on like when they were 18 is a good motivator...

However, it's a Friday. Get a bottle of wine, a nice meal, a lovely wee chiffon scarf and get some objective measurements of each other's pelvic floor.

You are welcome.

Hoopsadazy · 07/09/2012 10:22

That's brilliant!!

Yes, DH is awesome, in so many ways. He was carrying our DC when needed to pee badly and noticed a small leak. Concerned him enough to mention it weeks later to me. He is v supportive of my troubles as I always talk openly about it with him.

Unfortunately he is away this weekend, but I will have a go with your suggestions this week. I think laughing is going to be the answer - gotta laugh about these things as the alternative is not fun.

Big hugs to you and your wonderful work here over the last few weeks. All gotta talk about it more - you're right, if was an arm muscle or something, we'd be all whinging about it in company!

madmomma · 07/09/2012 12:31

nanky I love you. I would absolutely host one of your GG parties. Come to Manchester????

HappySeven · 07/09/2012 18:14

Another vote for a Manchester visit here!

Please keep the info coming, it's really helpful. I've been trying to do the exercises at least a couple of times a day since this thread started and I'm definitely seeing an improvement. I hadn't even realised my anticlimax orgasms since I had children were down to this so I'm hoping that continues to improve too!

I also think my DH might benefit, just got to workout how to diplomatically bring it up now...

Hoopsadazy · 07/09/2012 18:20

HappySeven - if you follow Nanky's advice for blokes, you'll have no trouble bringing it up! Grin

Sorry, Friday, couldn't resist.

If it helps, I copied Nanky's male help to DH and he was happy to realise not too much prob so far but really chuffed to know about possible future troubles as ages. He sees that being prepared is the best thing so if he can avoid any troubles, that's great. I think we should pass it on to all our blokes too - mutual support and all that.

echt · 08/09/2012 06:10

There was a thread about this on S&B a few weeks ago, so here's my bit.

I had mild but persistent stress incontinence starting 3 year after birth of DD. I was examined, did the pee-holding stuff in front of medical students and told to do all the holding it for however many seconds. Fast forward to 2012, 14 years later and some therapy after a re-enmergenec of my symptoms.

What I should have been doing was 2-3 second holds, then 10-15 second relax. Doing this for a set of 10 twice day (you have to be lying down) sorted out my incontinence in a week. Obviously I do the exercises every day, but they're easy.

The thing is getting the right diagnosis. For me, the holding exercises are making it worse.

nankypeevy · 08/09/2012 17:00

Manchester? Fantastic! There's a very good knitting shop in Manchester, if I recall correctly.

echt sounds like you maybe had a bit of pelvic floor dysfunction? That's when the muscle has trouble relaxing - can cause pain during sex and slow, dribbly peeing. It's not so common as weakness, and yes, if you can't relax the muscles you shouldn't be strengthening them.

Glad it's better. Have you finished seeng the therapist? Might be worth looking at progressing the exercises, doing them in lying is great and will work - but your muscles need to be functionally fit and able to work properly in standing/stairs/headstands/bungee jumping, whatever it is that floats your boat.

nankypeevy · 08/09/2012 17:02

Brass neck question:

I'm not so sure about facebook and twitter - I've been told off by facebook for responding to friend requests...not sure why. Must find a teenager who can explain it all to me.

So, if you have tried to be a friend to Gusset Grippers on facebook, or @gussiegrips on twitter - can you redo it?

I've tried to fix the link. But, have failed in that too.

Am much, much better with an EMS machine than I am with social networking...

echt · 08/09/2012 21:34

nankypeevy, yes, spot on. I've progressed to 15 second relaxes. Yes, it did cause pain during sex which is part of a longer therapy.

Oddly I've never leaked when I run, which the therapist put down to it's being a time when I am relaxed. I'd never considered stress incontinence as being at all related to conventional stress, but my basically rather tightly-wound headset is one which is unhelpful to the condition, i.e. the more I worried about leaking, the more I clenched, the more I leaked. The downtraining has been a revelation.

I suppose the Pepsi challenge is a trampoline.

:o

nankypeevy · 08/09/2012 22:02

Trampoline

The flu

Long haul flight with turbulance

kettleball ben wa ball

You'd get a prize for any of the above.

Glad it's going well, it's more difficult to relax than strengthen the muscles. I think you might already be doing the pepsi challenge!

ThatGhastlyWoman · 09/09/2012 14:20

Sorry, nankypeevy- been a bit slow to sort out a thread for Edinburgh folks- but here it is now: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/local_edinburgh/1560106-Who-is-interested-in-a-freebee-evening-of-wine-giggles-and-Pelvic-Floor-FanjoFu.

Any of the ladies on this thread in Edinburgh, too? Feel free to PM me under a pseudonym if shy.

weedoll · 09/09/2012 19:41

Hi bit of a late comer here, I've always struggled to locate my pelvic floor muscles so loved your advice nanky but it appears I push (flex?) instead of contract when I think I'm doing them Blushand you were actually describing me last week as post smear got home, couldn't find my keys and TOTALLY wet myself on the doorstep Sad but also had a few more accidents on top of that. It's getting me down as I've been doing them every time I stop at the lights for the past year, since ds2 came along. I'm only 30 and have had 2 rather big babies for my size. It's putting me off having anymore children, do you think my GP would refer me for physio? I've not shared this with anyone as I'm so embarrassed.

nankypeevy · 09/09/2012 21:00

weedoll (is that a wee, wee joke name?) I'll PM you.

It is embarrassing, I get that. But, it really shouldn't be. A third of women that you know have the same thing - if it were a third of women who had athletes' foot we'd not be blushing.

Well, maybe if it were particularly manky...

HappySeven · 09/09/2012 21:54

Echt has got me confused (it doesn't take much to be fair).

Since I had my DD (vaginal delivery second child) I've had pain-free sex. I was investigated by random doctors (gynae, dermatology etc) for a while years ago, before children, and was eventually told I must have vaginismus. I'm now nervous of continuing with the exercises as I don't want to go back to sex as it was (even if the orgasms are rubbish these days). Nanky please reassure me! What do I do? (PS Should you be charging for this? Should I send blank cheques?)

weedoll · 09/09/2012 22:44

Pmsl it's time for a name change! Thanks nanky agree you should be charging Wink

nankypeevy · 09/09/2012 23:14

Blank cheques, wine, percy pigs - all welcome, ha ha ha.

Tellyou what you could do - I'd be grateful if you'd have a look at my website /twitter/facebook and give me some feedback. I know lots about fannies - but not nearly enough about social networking. Happily, mumsnet has led me to a bunch of folk who DO know - so I'm learning!