Staggering Vaccinations?

[Clearlymisunderstood]

What's the benefit of it? My DD will be having all of her vaccinations but I've heard of people staggering then so was just wondering why basically and whether that is something I should consider? Apologies if I sound ignorant but googling has made my brain hurt!

Whooping* obviously.

This is interesting:

" The analysis revealed that, on average, whooping cough immunity lasts at least 30 years and perhaps as long as 70 years after natural infection."

It's always difficult to know what happens to immunity (whether natural or vaccine acquired) once the circulating disease is removed though, as circulating disease acts as a natural booster.

It's an issue (imo) for things like mumps which are usually mild in childhood but more serious in adulthood.

pertussis natural immunity: first hit on google. If I'm sure of a fact, I can always link to it bm . If I'm not, I'll preface it by: 'I think' 'I'm not sure but...' 'I'm fairly sure' etc. Your link is fine (though based on a model not actual immunity assays), mine is a review but older (but I have no access to the full paper so no idea what papers are included) so...up to you what believe. I found it interesting as it counters the common criticism that vaccine immunity is sometimes not for life whilst overlooking the fact that sometimes neither is natural immunity.

wrt mucous membranes: you appear not to understand my position and I can safely say I don't understand your position. I've said what I've said, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Yes, I did a bit of googling myself but I saw that they were older. (2005) I'm going to have a look at the Rohani and Wearing thing later when I have a bit more time.

I'm not sure what you don't understand tbh but hey ho!

Babies are exposed to antigens everyday. Even if it's the mucous membranes that are producing antibodies, it's the immune system still working. As an illustration of how effective the bodily immune system works (I repeat myself, of course) think how many antigens a baby receives with a 5 in 1 (my baby had hep b on top that day). And the worst they experience for the vast, vast majority of babies is a slight temperature! Incredible. I fly every 4/6 months with DS - he ALWAYS catches something on the plane and is ALWAYS ill for more than a day and often is worse than just a temperature. I can't understand why you would be against jabs but (apparently) in favour of inhaling a vaccine. Perhaps it's just a ruse to avoid the 'anti-vax' label? When the inhalable vaccines becomes available, I suppose you'll duly find reasons why these are not appropriate.

I find you turn your hand to all sorts of topics bm. I'm impressesd by your 'expert' range. From other threads you are apparently picking holes into biokenetic papers, not to mention covering epidemiology, population genetics and immunity papers. And here you are analysing computer-aided modelling of disease resistance. Does your expertise know no bounds? Given this, I'm surprised that you dismissed my paper without further investigation. It is only 7 years old, hardly from the stone age, most scientists of your standing would accept this as current research. Here's another theory why you rejected it - it didn't show what you wanted.

As I already said to jimjams, I feel this fred is dead. You're offering nothing new. And there's now a little bit of me that feels I'm giving you the oxygen of publicity by continuing to respond. So, hey ho.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'Even if it's the mucous membranes that are producing antibodies, it's the immune system still working.' I've been trying to point out that they're an important part of the immune system, that they prevent antigens from entering the bloodstream and that vaccines bypass them, along with the skin which also plays a part in protection. I'm not saying anything about the immune system not working.

Your children may get a sniffle and/or a sore arm after a vaccine but other children have had worse reactions. Also, you not really know what is going on inside them either.

There isn't much information about alternative vaccines yet but I find them interesting because they do not bypass parts of our immune system, they enter the body in the same way the disease itself would. It's one of the reasons they have been shown to be more effective. That alone should tell you that things like skin/mucous membranes do play an important role in immune response.

I don't claim to be an 'expert' on any of these topics. Do you? I haven't dismissed anything either LeBFG. I read the abstract you linked to, as well as a few others. They do show that the natural infection is capable of giving longer protection - its whether or not it actually may wane as quickly as the vaccine that I'd like to read more about. Some recent studies from California showed that protection from the vaccine was waning in as little as a year. I will probably read more about it when I get a chance.

I think you're right about nothing new coming out of the thread. Saintly and I have both given reasons for why people may chose to spread vaccines. You don't agree/understand them Other people reading the thread may.