spread them out?

[surfmama]

has anyone spread out jabs? dd is due first lot soon and i think i want them spread out. does this go down like a sack of sick?

Exactly. What doctors call maternal (or paternal) instincts is just pattern recognition. You know when something is wrong with your child because you know there behavior.

I agree that surf mamas concerns need to be addressed and she should vaccinate knowing she is doing the best for her child, even if it goes against maternal instincts. Your instincts may say no but your brain says yes. This is what differs us humans from other animals.

Or even their behavior

She hasn't asked about not vaccinating. She's asked whether the schedule can be varied.

The answer is yes, but not that easily these days (was simple to vary it on the NHS ten years ago).

I split my son's last DTaP/hib/hepB/IPV and first MMR by a month (on the mummyemotionalgutfeeling notion that the DTaP might make him feel crap for the first 3 days after the visit and the MMR from day 6 or so) and it was no problem with the doctor (she said "as an immunologist, I know this is not a problem for his immune system, but I am also a mum, so just get another appointment on your way out"). He did not have any problem with either shot, but then, his big sister did not have any problems after her 5 shots (5 different syringes) at her 12 months visit in the US.

Bruffin, vaccines don't prevent your child from ever getting ill. I didn't restrict my comment to illnesses that vaccines are available for.

Also, some people with more than an ounce of intelligence know that vaccines wouldn't be the best thing for their child. As you are well aware, not every child can be vaccinated. In any case, as I said earlier and as saintly has said again, she isn't talking about not vaccinating so I'm not really sure why you and EB have a problem. You seem to be brushing her concerns aside a bit and comments such as yours,bruffin, come across as patronising.

Bumbleymummy you insinuated as usual that vaccines are bad for you, ie you made a caparison with taking blood from a child. You said that taking blood was a good thing as it was in the interest of the child, therefore you are stating vaccines are bad,which is your whole raison d'etre for being on these boards.
OP sorry for that i was not being patronising to you, I have tried to provide information for you above to help you with your decision.

Of course vaccines prevent children getting ill, obviously the specific illnesses they were produce to prevent. Most of the time they are brilliant at doing that job.

I didn't make that comparison, EB did, I just don't think it's a good comparison. I haven't said anything about vaccines being 'bad' either.

You have gone off on a tangent about vaccines preventing certain illnesses based on a comment I made about doctors trusting a mother's instincts and not dismissing them as 'tosh' when they are assessing a sick child. That comment had nothing to do with vaccines, more to do with EB's idea that a mother's instinct doesn't count for anything when it actually does.

Just to clarify why I don't think it's a good comparison.

Refusing to allow blood to be drawn from your child and preventing them from figuring out how to treat your child and make him/her better is not the same as someone delaying vaccines or spacing them out a bit while they get more information and reassurance.

I have not said anywhere that she should not vaccinate.

What on earth has mother's extinct got to do with a vaccine schedule!
If a mother could work out that we don't give mmr until 13 months for a reason, and that we need 5 courses of some vaccinations or only 2 or 3 of the others, why would we need doctors in the first place.
Go with your extinct is crap advice!

Erm, well there is a choice of when to give certain jabs. For example MMR was given at 15 months when ds1 was smaller (because the measles component tends to work a little better if given a little later - iirc it works even better at 18 months - but then obviously you'll be leaving a lot of children without immunity for longer). I'm not entirely sure why it was moved to 13 months so would want to check that if I was giving MMR. I would also want to know whether breastfeeding would affect the likelihood of it working at 13 moths (as the problem is circulating maternal antibodies).

Also there isn't any particular reason why vaccinations can't be given separately. Although some seem to work a bit better separately and some seem to work a bit better in combination with others iirc.

I'm not sure what's so wrong with discussing that sort of thing.

Her instinct is that she thinks there may be too many, too close together for her baby who currently has problems with reflux etc. Instead of saying something along the lines of 'don't be stupid, just do it' (ie. ignore your instincts because they are 'tosh'), some of us have said 'look into it, take your time and ask as many questions as you need to until you feel comfortable and/or reassured'. I don't see what your problem is.

That has got nothing to do with mothers instinct though has it? I was just using those as examples

here is some information on spacing although it is for US

lots more information here

My problem is your statement, bumbley, that only with vaccines are you told to ignore your maternal instincts. That's the tosh.

Absolutely nothing wrong with discussing concerns with GP or other qualified medical person. No one said just ignore.

EB, I'm glad you're not telling her to ignore them. You did say 'what a lot of tosh about maternal instincts' which does give the impression that you think maternal instincts are a lot of tosh. I don't tend to see people popping up on other threads where people have concerns about their child in a 'something is just not right' way to say "pah, maternal instincts are tosh. Don't be silly. They'll be fine''. Sadly, I do see that a lot on vaccine threads.

That's because there's so much misinformation and scaremongering about vaccines bumbley.

I don't see any on this thread.

I think Elaine was very clear Bumbley. It is the view of maternal instincts that you expressed which is tosh, not the maternal instincts themselves.

Do you see people being dismissive of people's concerns/worries/ instincts telling them that something isn't right on other types of threads Jo? I don't. I do see it occasionally in relation to vaccines though.

Yes when people are talking rubbish. Like with homeopathy or crystal ball gazing for example.

And mums worries are constantly being dismissed on behaviour/development board. There are threads everyday ds/dd is not walking/talking/crawling which are answered its perfectly normal.

I haven't heard of people having concerns/worries about crystal ball gazing. What threads are you on EB?

'Help! My crystal ball is looking a bit cloudy today. There must be trouble ahead.'

'Don't be silly. Just give it a good polish and everything will be fine.'

Bruffin, I'm not sure that's quite in the same category but I'll admit I'm not usually on the behaviour/development threads so maybe that is another area where it is common. Instincts/concerns do seem to be taken more seriously wrt health, relationships etc.

I agree that in behaviour/development concerns are often dismissed. Quite a lot of the time the child is showing serious red flags but the suggestions to request a referral are drowned out by the 'Einstein didn't talk until he was 4' brigade.

(I wish I'd had a fiver for every time someone said that to me when I first became concerned - they no longer say it now he's a teenager )

I know that when I first had concerns about ds1 no-one else could see it. They genuinely thought I was mistaken/over anxious/worrying about nothing. I think looking back it's because they didn't see him in all the different settings I saw him. He was affectionate, loving, happy, interested in his family and so people just couldn't reconcile that with the possibility of autism.

Anyway, of course I was unfortunately right and everyone else was wrong - and very very wrong, he's not exactly borderline.

It's why even when people aren't articulating much of concern I tend to tell them there's nothing screaming out at me, no obvious red flags but that if they remain concerned they should ask for a referral. I think those parental concerns/instinct should not be dismissed.

surfmama I would say follow your instincts rather than someone else's logic.
My dd had her first vaccinations at 3 months, 5 months and 9 months so you can spread them out time-wise.

Or speak to a gp to see what the current medical advice is so you know which vaccines can be safely spaced out and still make sure your little one is fully protected.

Someone else's logic is known as scientific evidence

Elaine she's not going to be able to space them out without talking to her GP of HV is she? I doubt sossiges gave them herself.

When I spoke to my GP about various options when ds2 was a baby he was pretty willing to help and find out about the various options. Some of those no longer exist (splitting them for example) but if my experience is typical then GP's will happily discuss all options.