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Does anyone know anything about cartiledge in backs?

18 replies

Katymac · 01/03/2006 19:22

They have given my dad an epidural for back pain

They are also cutting away part of the cartiledge to stop it pressing on his spinal cord

What does it all mean?

Specifically longterm?

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Katymac · 01/03/2006 19:42

or
Ankylosing spondylitis ?

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lua · 01/03/2006 19:53

Hi Katy,

Epidural is a common form of pain treatment for people with severe back pain, especially if caused by a bulged disk.

Any back surgery is a bit worrysome, but also routine these days. It does depend on the cause. I know that if it is for a bulged disk there is some discussion if it is actually the best approach.

However, if your dad has been diagnosedwith Ankylosing spondylitis, then I believed is a more complicated situation...
Have you tried googling it? You'll probaly find more info than you ever wanted.

Hope he does oK

lua · 01/03/2006 19:53

Hi Katy,

Epidural is a common form of pain treatment for people with severe back pain, especially if caused by a bulged disk.

Any back surgery is a bit worrysome, but also routine these days. It does depend on the cause. I know that if it is for a bulged disk there is some discussion if it is actually the best approach.

However, if your dad has been diagnosedwith Ankylosing spondylitis, then I believed is a more complicated situation...
Have you tried googling it? You'll probaly find more info than you ever wanted.

Hope he does oK

Katymac · 01/03/2006 20:31

Thanks

My brother & I think he was diagnosed with this years ago - and it has hit hard this last 6 months

He (& I) are qite concerned with the heredity bit

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chapsmum · 01/03/2006 20:50

katy mac, my dad has had this condition for years. he has many ways and means of coping with te pain and there is allot of new treatments avaliable. I could cat if you want, there is a lot to post and sorry to sound so shllow but mr and mrs smith is just about to come on box office

Katymac · 02/03/2006 06:59

Thanks Chapsmum - hope you enjoyed your filmSmile - I went to bed

My Brother & I are dong a bit of family discussions over the next few days - can I CAT you if we can confirm that what he has?

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Blandmum · 02/03/2006 07:03

Slipped (herniated) disk.

What they do is go in an cut out the middle bit of the disk. the rest of the disk ten moved back in to fill the gap, as it were. It is called a microdiscectomy.

Some people can have the problem sorted by intensive physio. If it is more of a problem....if the slipped disk is pressing on the spine, an op may be needed. I have known this happen to 3 people, all made an excellent recovery

Katymac · 02/03/2006 07:10

Thank MartianBishop - I'm fairly certain it's not a slipped disc (but what do I know - I could have completely misunderstood)

If the disc is a wine gum shaped like a polo - it's been squashed into the middle & it's torn and "leaking" fluid (?) into the spinal cavity ......maybe if I understood it all

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Blandmum · 02/03/2006 07:23

TBH, that sounds like a slipped disk to me. people thisnk that a slipped disk means that it pops out. Peaple also think of the disk as being like grissle...it isn't it is more 'pulpy than that. Most often what happens is that the pulpy middle bit moves. It can move out, between the vertebrae, or inwards and press on the spinal cord. That happened to a mate of mine, he had pain and also numbness, pins and neddedles in his legs. He had the op and is now fine....back running, in fact. But I am not a doctor [smile} but used to work for a company that made the meds for this sort of operation

Blandmum · 02/03/2006 07:25

Found this for you on line

'The backbone, or spine, is composed of a series of connected bones called "vertebrae." The vertebrae surround the spinal cord and protect it from damage. Nerves branch off the spinal cord and travel to the rest of the body, allowing for communication between the brain and the body. The brain can send a message down the spinal cord and out through the nerves to make the muscles move. The nerves also send information such as pain and temperature from the body back to the brain.

The vertebrae are connected by a disc and two small joints called "facet" joints. The disc, which is made up of strong connective tissues which hold one vertebra to the next, acts as a cushion or shock absorber between the vertebrae. The disc and facet joints allow for movements of the vertebrae and therefore let you bend and rotate your neck and back.

The disc is made of a tough outer layer called the "annulus fibrosus" and a gel-like center called the "nucleus pulposus." As you get older, the center of the disc may start to lose water content, making the disc less effective as a cushion. As a disc deteriorates, the outer layer can also tear. This can allow displacement of the disc's center (called a herniated or ruptured disc) through a crack in the outer layer, into the space occupied by the nerves and spinal cord. The herniated disc can then press on the nerves and cause pain, numbness, tingling or weakness in the shoulders or arms. Your doctor may test for changes in the reflexes, sensation and strength in your arms caused by the herniated cervical disc. Rarely, the herniated disc may put pressure on the spinal cord, causing problems in the legs as well.'

The last sentence sounds like what is happening to your dad

Katymac · 02/03/2006 07:38

That sounds much more positive then - Thank you

This Ankylosing spondylitis is still quite an issue as it's hereditary

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chapsmum · 02/03/2006 16:18

katymac my email is dollyburd12 at hotmail dot com.

my dad was never a candidate for surg s he had more than one focal point of pain. but he hs sill had lots of treatment. In america for a herniated disk they are now experamenting with putting a tiny conductive wire circufentially throught the disk and applying dirrest heat to contract the disk to its origional shape.

Look forward to hearing from you!

Katymac · 02/03/2006 18:55

Thanks Chapsmum - I appreciate that

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Katymac · 03/03/2006 14:59

I have lots more info

He has spondylitis, but not aparrently Ankylosing spondylitis

His disc is out of alinement but not slipped

He needs surgery 18 weeks NHS or next week Bupa @£6K

He is on morphone until the op

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Pagan · 03/03/2006 15:09

Has he ever tried a chiropracter? I'm currently undergoing treatment at the moment and was hugely sceptical of it working but I have to say, the results have been remarkable. It's not painful for the treatment, just unnerving as they click your spine back into shape.

I also read \link{http://www.pennywithers.co.uk/\this} in a paper recently so you could see if there is one near you. Apparently some of the case studies people had the same as your dad and got amazing results from this contraption.

chapsmum · 03/03/2006 15:10

Spondilitus useualy comes as the result of inj or infection, has he had either one of these? It is not uncommon for spondilitus to be misdiagnosed with a different underlying cause. The morphine didn't agree with my dad he takes tramadol and belive it or not medication which was originally ment for eppilepsy, GABAPENTIN is very good for nerve pain as is a low dose of amitryptaline. If he is on morphine he should be wairy of the side effects, constipation is one of the worst!

Katymac · 03/03/2006 15:39

the spondylitis was diagnosed about 20 yrs ago so I'm not sure

He is a bit worried about the constipation.....

He's collecting money together to have it done next week - but £6K is a lot to find in a few days

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Yorkiegirl · 03/03/2006 15:42

I've had two epidural injections as I have a degenerative lumbar disc. Worked a treat first time and the second one was ok but not as good.

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