Anti Candida diet, which one?

[alfiemama]

Okay bit of a long story, but I am referred to a chronic fatigue team. However, after a discussion with the Dr we have decided to give an Anti Candida diet. It was only a brief conversation because I was ringing due to a swollen tongue because (I thought) of some Anti depressants I am on.

Anyway my question is which Anti Candida diet am I best following/ There seems to be such a conflict of information. I am currently (for 3 weeks) cutting out bread/gluten/ryes/wheat, alcohol, any sauces, dairy, caffeine, sugar and sweetners except for truvia oh and having one small portion of fruit. So basically eating meat, fish, veg and sour fruit or berries. I have just added back in natural yoghurt. I have to admit to eating quite a few granny smith's apples due to lack of anything to eat.

I was also prescribed 1 weeks of antifungal tablets.

I am now though, suffering with what seems withdrawal and have a lovely white coated tongue (disgusting) I have just ordered a repeat of the antifungal meds.

Can anyone help? I just want to be well again. [SAD]

If you have the stomach for it (no pun intended ) you should read Gary Taubes' tome "The Diet Delusion" where he talks about the scientific work that has been done over the centuries with regard to food, fat and carbohydrates. That will give you a good understanding of the impact that too much carbohydrate can have on your body. It might make you feel better about having to be low carb!

BIWI, thanks I actually have both those booksmust read them

I agree phase 2 was hard for me to grasp. I freaked and just couldn't do it.
I have to be careful about the oils and butters though because of the anticandida diet. Will give it a go though. Eeeeek.

alfie do you mean oils and butters aren't good for candida? I don't know anywhere near as much as I should about all this

cheers biwi love

Pinot, that's what I'm like. I've had coeliac test but I'd already given up wheat and stuff so didn't want to retest in 6 weeks and make myself really I'll by eating it again.
Also my tongue kind of took over as developed what looked like oral thrush. However, dr at first though I was allergic to some new anti d's in on for the pain from cfs. At the time I was researching cfs and found candiadasis I was shocked by all th symptons. Not just thrush like some people think. I asked the dr could this be what I may have and she agreed might be a good idea to try an anti candida diet.
Strangely enough I dont get normal thrush just other symptons which could be linked.

Anyway my tongue is a lot better and feeling much better fatigue and pain wise. So this is my diet now. Will add a few thug a back perhaps as one off treats but low carb is for me now.

Ibs is awful. After I had dd by section they accidentally touched or bruised my bowel and it went into shock. Ouch!

Sorry for long thread also been reading colonic is good if your brave enough.

Freaky BIWI, just been reading about that one Amazon. Is it any better than John Briffa. I also fancies wheat belly but as I've cut that out think its pointless.

What's the problem with oil and butter on an anti-candida diet? (sorry - it's so long since I had to worry about candida I've genuinely forgotten!)

Butter and olive oil are not on this list

I'm not going back onto eating gluten/wheat for anything now. I feel better just need to nuke the candida and lose some timber.

I just naturally avoid them

I suppose it's just the way I have been brainwashed and suckered Into the diet trap. I haven't eaten butter since I was a child. I never had spread on toast/bread. I also don't really like oily things

I'm going to have to change though. Just scared now if I start eating them I will put weight on.

think of it as a way of bringing out flavour on whatever it's applied to? Like a seasoning - you may be able to trick yourself that way into enjoying them. they're good for you to eat, health wise.

Good idea Pinot. I find and this is going to sound yuck. But, I get Aspall Cyder vinegar (yep spelt like that lol) and pour that on my salads it's just like a vinaigrette without the oiliness.
Just asked hubby to pick me up some butter and oil. Which butter is best?

Oops Zoe was Nat live yog.
What concerns me though is she says you can have tomatoes and decaf coffee. Yet, for candida I have read this is a real no no. Yet, she is saying her diet is for candida.
It's like I said initially the info for candida
is so airy fairy it's unreal.

alfie - you really, really need to read those books to understand why fat is not a villain - it is actually very important in our diets.

And if you're having to follow an anti-candida diet because of really severe symptoms, I'd follow a strict anti-candida diet like the one recommended on that website. Whilst ZH's book makes sense, her first phase (the anti-candida phase) is really - IMVVVHO - purely about weight loss and not really about dealing with serious candida.

In terms of which butter, it depends which type you prefer. There are two types - sweetcream and lactic. Sweetcream is typically packed in a sort-of greaseproof wrapper, or in yellow foil - e.g. Anchor or Country Life. Lactic butter has a culture added to it, which gives it a sharper taste. It is wrapped in silver foil, like Lurpak. Personally I am a Lurpak girl, because that's what I was brought up on - but it's all down to personal taste.

My absolute, absolute favourite butter, though, is Waitrose Brittany butter with sea salt crystals. Yum!

Wow your good BIWI, I never knew about two types of butter. Hubby likes country life. He used to have but now on a health kick.

I will read the books I promise. I just got a bit bored half way through Briffas book

Right okay, I will give it a go but still keep to not having tomatoes and fruit. Ye gods it's got to come off some time

Thanks Pinot and BIWI. I found that very helpful. Good luck Pinot sounds like you will be fine.

I only know all that because I worked on the Lurpak account in my early days in advertising!

I was going to say, that's some pretty impressive info.
Am I okay having oat bran with natural yoghurt? Has some for tea and it was actually quite nice. From what I can see I can have oat bran, it just seems quite carby for weight loss.

What you can or can't have depends entirely what plan you're following!

How many carbs does it have per gram? I would imagine it's actually too high.

47.3g per 100g

However it does say it's beneficial for candida. May just have to limit to every so often.

That's really high .

What's good for candida is depriving it of the sugar. With that many carbs, you're feeding it sugar.

I thought that BIWI, however, I found this.

Also many will tell you that the bran scours the intestinal system of flora and tho it will assit elimination it actually causes dependence because its not fiber that we need for healthy elimination its intestinal flora.

Oat bran is considered a "soft" fiber, not a hard fiber like wheat bran. So it is not hard on the intestines. And the cellulose of the oat bran provides a food sources to feed the flora. The flora ferment the fibers to break down the cellulose, a long chain sugar molecule, in to simpler sugars they can feed on. So we need fibers to keep the flora healthy, and so the flora can generate their beneficial acids. They do not cause a dependence though like anthraquinone stimulant laxatives (senna, cascara sagrada, rhubarb root, cape aloe).

I'm a bit confused, alfie, about what you're trying to achieve! Are you doing low carb, are you doing anti-candida or are you trying to do a colon cleanse?!

If you need 'healthy intestinal flora' then take a good probiotic. Acidophilus is a good one - go to a good health food shop and buy some tablets. They will be kept in the fridge.

Probiotics will help you with the candida without adding the carbs to your diet.

That quote seems to be one about laxative usage as well, rather than candida ...

This was on the candida diet website BIWI. Apparently they say to get rid of it you have to eliminate it, so to speak. Even Zoe Harcombe suggests this in her book. I just want rid as quickly as possible whilst being as healthy as I can be. It's very difficult to find things to eat when you can eat so little.
Surely it cant be that bad as Dukaner's have it?

Personally I wouldn't advocate it, because of the carbs. But you need to decide which plan you want to follow, not listen to me blethering on

No you've been ever so helpful BIWI. I think I will try and limit it to once a week . Daft thing is I'd lost a 1lb this morning. Just think though if I hadn't eaten if I might have lost 2lb.