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4 year old with a lot of blood in her poo

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norwood · 21/02/2006 21:17

Ds seems to have an extra bit of skin on the outside of her anus and whenever she poos there is always a bit of blood on the poo.i took her to the doctor last spring and he said it was nothing to worry about. However the other day she was having a difficult time pooing and when she finished there was a lot of blood in the bowl.Then she started dripping blood into the toilet. when she wiped herself the paper was very bloody which shocked us both. i think i can see where it is coming from on this extra piece of skin but i think her poo in general is not right. The poo (sorry to be so graphic) is always a cluster of balls the size of lychees stuck together - is this constipation or is her intestine not right? Am now very worried but the female doc (she won't see the man doc) can't see her until 6th march. Anyone else experienced this before?

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Chandra · 21/02/2006 21:23

If she is having such trouble to go, I would not be surprised if she is holding things in as long as she can (, I think that if it happens hence the clusters of balls), but I think that if it happens again you should give NHS Direct a ring to see if they manange to get her seen immediatly. Some things can only be diagnosed at the moment of the problem. It is no use for your DD to be sean when she is perfectly OK and without evidence of the problem.

LIZS · 21/02/2006 21:25

er think I'd be seeking an urgent appointment if only to rule out anything more serious and it can't be comfortable for her.She could have strained with constipation and create a small tear . Does she drink plenty and eat fruit ? Have you tried probiotics to help her digestion ?

dinny · 21/02/2006 21:26

Norwood, poor dd. Trust your instincts and bypass your GP - just go to A&E and see a paediatrician. SURELY it is not right to bleed even a tiny bit when pooing?

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norwood · 21/02/2006 21:34

the strange thing is that she is never scared of doing a poo even though she does often strain to get it out. you would have thought that she would be apprehensive of going but she's not. she is a difficult eater - won't eat fruit (except apples) or veg except for carrots and cucumber. she does eat whole grain cereal and all bran. i think the woman doc is away until the 6th and there is no way she will see the man doc. last time when she went she was scared and naturally didn't want to comply so he got me to hold her down while he pulled her knickers down. she was traumatised and would go hysterical at the mere mention of a doctor. i have now changed surgeries and have been bigging up the female doc to her just so she'll agree to go there. i don't want her to have a phobia of doctors.

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dinny · 21/02/2006 21:37

can't you take her to A&E to see a paediatrician? have you a nearby hospital? go tomorrow morning...? definitely actue enough, especially as you can't see your GP for another 2 weeks.

HappyMumof2 · 21/02/2006 21:39

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dinny · 21/02/2006 21:41

Norwood, I've had to take ds to A&E with a bottom problem on a few occasions and the paediatric staff are always fantastic.

tbh if he or dd were bleeding from the anus I'd have been up there straight away.

hope it's resolved soon.

HappyMumof2 · 21/02/2006 21:43

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norwood · 21/02/2006 22:21

i will call the doc in the morning and ask for an emergency appt - all i need is a referral and then we can use the ppp cover. when i called the surgery the other day i did explain her symptoms and how urgent i thought it was but they still wouldn't give me a quicker appt.
i think to cart her off to the nasty local A&E with all the local drunks would be counter productive - she is really deep and pours over things for days/months and i think it's important for her to overcome her fears by having a decent experience of a doctor. if i thought she was in pain or it was something really serious then ofcourse i would take her tonight. the last doctor said it was a small fissure and having looked it up on the net tonight i feel it may be a Sentinel pile - seems to fit the description.

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norwood · 22/02/2006 09:42

She doesn't walk around in pain. it's like an extra piece of skin. from reading on the web i think its a sentinel pile which is not a haemorroid - its a skin tag and the cure is to stretch the anus which doesn't sound nice at all. obviously i am not a doctor so i need to get it looked at asap. i was just as concerned about what her poo looks like - its always a large cluster of balls all stuck together - almost like her intestine is in spasm. am trying to get through to the doctor now.

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norwood · 22/02/2006 10:36

if i took her to the A and E would i then be on the NHS route or can i be referred to go privately. at least if we go privately the appts usually come quicker and they are at mutually convenient times (my boss hates me taking any time off work). i get health cover through my work....

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foxinsocks · 22/02/2006 10:39

you would be on the NHS but you would prob see a paediatrician and if you had a follow-up appointment you could request for it to be private

have you not got a walk-in clinic near you? They are normally quite good and may be able to refer you to the hospital.

What happens if you go to the hospital and it's a male doctor?

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norwood · 22/02/2006 11:01

she had a terrible experience with a male doc who had no idea how to deal with children. it was about this pooing problem and she was anxious about it anyway but instead of reassuring her when she started to cry and resist he ordered me to hold her arms down while he wrenched her knickers down and prodded her bottom. to say she was hysterical is an understatement and she goes into a sheer panic at the mention of a doctor. the only way i can get her to agree to go is that i've changed surgeries and there is a nice woman doc who is especially good with children. i know it makes me sound like a woos treading on eggshells around her but she is such a deep thinker and if i want her to co-operate for future visits and vaccinations then i need her to have a positive experience.

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foxinsocks · 22/02/2006 11:03

is this new female doc good with kids (I mean, have you checked her out?)

I only ask because I saw a dreadful one at our surgery who seemed to be frightened of my kids.

I think if you tell the doctor (male or female) that she is terrified, they should be much gentler with her. It might be worth just going and asking for a referral yourself.

foxinsocks · 22/02/2006 11:04

that does sound like a dreadful experience

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norwood · 22/02/2006 11:09

it broke my heart to see her so distressed and the way she looked at me made be feel that i had betrayed her trust in me to protect her. i'll never forget it. That doc once made me cry too and i'm usually quite tough!

this woman GP specialises in babies and children and i know lots of friends who have been to her with their kids and say she's amazing. the receptionist has told me i have to ring up every day to see if i can get an emergency appt and they can't guarrantee i'll get the woman doc even though i have explain the reasons why - i hate receptionists

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norwood · 23/02/2006 09:26

she's fine in herself but she didn't poo yesterday so maybe today she will do one but i expect it to be clustered and for there to be a small bit of blood. The other day was especially bad - it's never been like that before but i wondered if it had anything to do with the virus she had had for 7 days - really high temperature (104.5)and a snotty nose - although she was not unhappy and was dancing around the house - very strange.didn't feel i could ask for an emergency appt at the docs when she was singing and laughing....
am going to call tomorrow to try to get an emergency appt for the afternoon but when i broached it with her last night she became so distressed so i think i need to mentally prepare her again this evening.

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teacups · 23/02/2006 11:23

Norwood - if you live where your name suggests, your local hospital has a special paediatric A and E> I have been up there a few times and all the paeds I have encountered have been excellent.

Hope you get the problem sorted - it sounds very distressing.

Simplyred · 23/02/2006 11:32

norwood - I've had a fissure (or sentinal pile) for many years.It hardly ever causes me any problem as I drink loads and eat plenty of fruits and veg. It usually plays up whilst on holidays with a change of diet etc. I think a virus can play havoc with the tummy as it will play a part in passing the broken down virus. Have you tried the pro-biotic youghats - Aloe vera juice is also good - can get it at Holland & Barretts. (and it tastes very nice for kids)

Simplyred · 23/02/2006 11:40

You also mentioned you felt her tummy was in spasm - Irritable bowel could be the cause - this could well be as a result of the virus bug and may take some weeks to settle. But do push to see a considerate doctor - it needs sensitivity for young ladies - bless her.

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