ITV Tonight programme, Emotional blackmail?

[MancTommo]

this is the first time I have been here (father) quite upset after watching ITV Tonights programme. I felt it was really one sided and almost an advert from Dep of Health to vaccinate your child. I have 3 daughters, middle one who has been vaccine damaged (yes I am sure) as are many professional off the record. We were one of 10 families in the UK, who received legal aid to fight the government on this subject, only to have funding pulled weeks before going to court (Richard Barr solicitors acting for us and others). My daughter is now 16, has autism, SLD, and severe epilepsy. What annoyed our family last night was the lack of acknowledgement that any children have been affected by vaccine. As parents we are not against vaccines, and in fact our 3rd daughter was vaccinated even after we knew what happened to out second daughter, but with single vaccinations. Just feel its about time to stop treating parents like idiots. The truth will come out one day. Me and my wife have so much to say on this subject and feel like I have been holding it it for too long now...

I've never received a prescription or any medicine that did not have a leaflet detailing side affects, many potentially fatal. Even vitamin pills have side affects.

How come vaccinations are so perfect?

daytoday Wed 25-Apr-12 22:41:47

I've never received a prescription or any medicine that did not have a leaflet detailing side affects, many potentially fatal. Even vitamin pills have side affects.

How come vaccinations are so perfect?

so you go to a Dr's then daytoday??

and trust them??

that sounds a bit hypacritical that you trust them sometimes. i never said vac's were perfect.

daytoday

They are not different, they come in a packet, like all medication, with a leaflet detailing side effects / possible problems, but your Dr often does not give the leaflet to you.

MancTommo
That is quite offensive and not true, the only disease ever to be erradicated was polio, and that was done entirely with vaccination. Polio would be in the same situation if people had not stopped vaccinating.

Darrenc
I was going to say sorry for your loss, but that seems so inadequate and trite.

I genuinelly wish you had not had the experience you have, and living with it must be hard, harder than anyone who has not gone through it, can imagine. I really do not know what to say, I hope you find peace, I think that's all I can hope for you.

It's hard to get near the truth of this issue. I feel anyone who thinks government policy isn't affected by the pressures of multinationals & big pharmaceuticals is very naive. This isn't conspiracy theory, it's capitalism.

mummyssmellofsick so true

Sashh, It is true that you can catch whooping cough even after being vaccinated, so not sure what you mean. Certainly not being offensive?

Darrenc, I have really said all I need to say on this matter. You are making it sound like having a severley disabled child is not as bad as losing one... same question to you, do you have a severley disabled child? It seems neither has walked in each others shoes, so there is really nothing more to say. My wife has counseled people with grief, and over time people can come to deal with their grief (i am not saying forget) and the pain does diminishes over time. This never goes away for us, and have to deal with difficult, sometims life threatening situations every day. You feel pain, and think that having a child like mine would make it better somehow because she is alive?? We are both dealing with very difficult situations... lets leave it at that.

I am truely sorry for your loss, and am not looking to try and be tit for tat over such a serious and emotional subject, so thanks for your input, but from my end I have said eveything I need to say, and my comments regarding DTP has also been proved in other countries, so I have finished with this thread. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and I thank eveyone for their thoughts on this subject.

Sassh you're wrong about Poliomyelitis, reclassified in 1958 and thereafter as meningitis in the vast majority of cases.

In fact, the 'inventor' of that vaccine (Salk) admitted to a number of issues with vaccine, namely that it was causing more polio cases than it was preventing.

And since Poliomyelitis was quietly endemic, causing few problems prior to the 20th century, one has to wonder why it suddenly exploded as a threat well into the 20th centruy, and was "at it's peak" in the decade prior to the vaccine being invented???

Curious, no?

It just proves the point that this programme, and propoganda of a similar vein, has a huge influence on the mindset of the proletariat. It would have been nice to see a balanced view. What about the kids dying within the day or week of vaccination, or those kids like that of the OP, that are permanantly and irrepparably damaged? Surely parents should see both sides and be allowed to choose based on fact, rather than emotive and one-sided evangelism?

And whilst I am so sorry for those parents that lose little babies to whooping cough, like Darren C, (I have a six month old and I feel so much sadness for anyone that has to go through losing a baby), it is worth asking why the programme didn't cover the massive issues with whooping cough, namely that the vaccine doesn't work and it is endemic in the UK population, reclassified (or rather misdiagnosed) as chest infection. Had it not been biased, it most certainly would have done.

Sorry, just to add, maybe of it was better known how rampant Whooping cough is at the moment, people would have enough information to keep their babies away from infected and properly diagnosed people, thus reducing the chance of inefction.

sashh

"That is quite offensive and not true, the only disease ever to be erradicated was polio, and that was done entirely with vaccination. Polio would be in the same situation if people had not stopped vaccinating."

Polio has not been eradicated - it is still endemic in some countries. The reduction in cases is not purely down to vaccination. As analogue mentioned, the live polio vaccine was actually causing polio outbreaks.

actually, the only reason polio is still around is that some religious nutcases are scaring families from getting their children vaccinated. The WHO has an intricate plan to phase the OPV out (as it has been in the developed world), but they cannot get going as long as the conspiracy theorists in various countries give polio CPR. To tailor an argument against polio vaccination out of that is, well, (censors self)

The OPV itself is doing a good job of keeping cases of polio around too Catherina.

Bumbley - if everyone had gotten it, the world (as in the entire world) would be polio free and the developing world could go on the "weaning" plan of the WHO.

Sorry Catherina but I think you're being a bit idealistic.

The vaccine isn't 100% effective, not everyone CAN be vaccinated, the live OPV vaccine is shed in faeces, developing countries have areas with very poor or zero sanitation - all this means that it is unlikely that the entire world would be polio free while the OPV is still in use.

bumbleymummy

Sorry I mean smallpox of course, I was thinking about polio and wrote the wrong word.