Is it just me or is the wording of the reports about the measles outbreak in Liverpool a bit strange?

[bumbleymummy]

I've read quite a few now that have used the wording 'children who did not have the MMR at 13 months' . Does that mean they had singles/had the MMR later? If they are completely unvaccinated then surely they would have just said that? It just seems a bit strange to me - as if children who did have the MMR but maybe at 14/15/16+ months have caught measles but they don't want to say that because it would raise questions about the efficiency of the vaccine...

Thats interesting analogue.

So does that mean the vaccines dont work? is it that simple?

I don't know Amber Leaf (love the name btw), but they are the figures from the HPA themselves. It was semi-obscured by including infants, but even accounting for those, it's still quite a statistic when you consider the risk-benefit analysis of MMR!

Thanks

Im surprised, I was expecting it to be mainly unvaccinated or < 1 yr olds.

Actually im not that surprised as I know of anecdotally people whos children have had Rubella despite having MMR, but just bit surprised to see it all 'official'

where do you see the measles report with the percentages? Cannot find anything more recent than late March on HPA website..

It's here regarding www.hpa.org.uk/hpr/news/default.htm#msls
The majority of cases with onset in February and March were diagnosed in the North West region where there is an on-going outbreak (see table) [1, 2]. More than 60% (86/136) of the cases in the North West are in unvaccinated children under 10 years, of which 26 are infants less than a year of age, and the genotype is B3.

Their woolly writing drives me up the bend. It could absolutely be that 100% of patients were unvaccinated, but only 60% were under 10 years old (why that arbitrary cut off age?), or 40% were vaccinated (independent of age), or some of the 40% were vaccinated and for some the vaccine status wasn't known, the possibilities are endless.... I think I'll write to them and ask... Thanks for the link!

40% of the confirmed cases were fully vaccinated??

NO 60% of the cases were under 10 and unvaccinated. We do not know anything about the other 40.