Did anyone vaccinate one child and not another?

[dinny]

Can't believe it's already time to start thinking about what to do for ds with regard to MMR. DD had single measles and single mumps (mainly because at this age - 16 months - she was at nursery and not breastfed). DS isn't at nursery, doesn't go to any creches and is breastfed (I've had mumps and measles as a child).

So, am thinking may not give him any jabs, at least for now. But it feels really unfair to DD. I'm more paranoid about him & jabs as he's a boy.

I worry a lot about ds as he has had many courses of antibiotics due to a problem he later had surgery for. He's had at least 5 courses.

Contraversial pleasr turn away if easily offended....
The decision not to vaccinate is personal,I'll give you that one, however it has impact on a community level, It's ot just about your child catching measels, its about your child catching measels or rubella and passing it on to their three month preg nursary teacher...
Its that serious.
As for all the links, correlations can link anything. There is a correlation between the number of ice creams eated and the number of deaths form drowning in a year.
This is because most drowning deaths occur in the summer, no beacause one causes the other.
If you make the decsion not to vaccinate, some you may have to expalin your chioces to yur chils school when they start.
This is the only country in the world whcich has this scared link between the mmr and autism, it has been based on ONE medical paper.
It is a difficult descision for any parent but do not be pressured by scaremongering and other peoples opinions, you must make an INORMED choice
We do not hesitate to have our children vaccinated agains meningitis.
Childhood illneses can be (not althway) this serious... We just haven't seen them in as great numbers for a while.
I'm not saying anybody is wrong or right here, but I am saying there is a biiger picture to consider...

but shouldn't the nursery teacher have made sure SHE was vaccinated against German measles, Chapsmum?

Dinny I agrre with you, however.
She may have had it, like you said, vaccine doesn't always provide 100% immunity. It is possible, (AT some point) once diseases have been caught for the carrier to 'change' the dna of the disease, to make it infectious to someone who has had the vaccine.
What if her parents hadden't vaccinated her and she haddn't realised...
The list goes on.
Small pox was one of the most awful diseasec in the world and it wass't wiped out by people having 'small pox parties'. It was global immunisation.

i totally agree with you chapsmum, the whole reason these infections arent seen as serious is because most parents vaccinate. if we all stop vaccinating then these illneses are going to return with possibly dire consequences. im very sorry too if i offend anyone, but i am sure the risks from catching these diseases outweigh the risk from any immunisation.
my two children are vaccinated against everything, my DD (20 months) has had the prevenar against pneumoccocal disease and will have the pneumovax when shes two also.

Dinny, the vaccination doesn't always work and since changing from teenage girl vaccination to universal vaccinations, the number of babies born deaf blind has dramatically reduced.
Also, suppose she didn't get vaccinated for any reason including ignorance, should her baby pay the price? These where why I thought my kids should be vaccinated against rubella.

oh, just don't know what/when to do...certainly am not keen for ds to get mumps/measles but just feel so unsure about having him vaxed. may ask consultant as seeing him next week (hm, wonder what his answer will be....?? )

Aloha, just a thought, I know the idea of having your child injected with mercury is hoorendouw, however, the amount of base metal that carried the vaccine was miniscule, sp?? There is more mercury in a tin of tuna, but thats good for us right...?

I meant 'these were the reasons why'.

Agree, with you, thought it may have made you feel slightly better, sorry

Not that miniscule. And the mercury in seafood is NOT considered 'good for you'.
It is potent neurotoxin, which studies have linked with ADHD and other problems, yet the government allowed it to remain in vaccinations for newborn babies.
So I am sceptical about any 'official' reassurances. Because they lie and they don't care.

Woooo
Wait a minute, there is no big conspiracy theory here. THe only studies, properly conducted studies into the links between mmr and autism were funded by the company who were first to produce the single vacine.
It is dangerous to make such sweeping statements like that. mmr is not given to new born babies, and there is links between adhd and allot of food products.
Again, the descision to vaccinate should be informed, not pressued by people surmising terrifying conspiracy theories!

my dd (20 months) isn't allowed to be vaccinated yet as she has a high possibility of having a poor immune system and therefore can't handle live vaccines. i would be really p*ssed off if she caught it from a child when she goes to school because their parents wouldn't get them vaccinated. i do worry about this continuoly as with her being likely to have a poor immune system this is also putting her at a higher risk of catching all of these. she does have all non live vaccines, like flu and pneumoccocol and polio as an injection. we are also waiting for blood results to see whether she is developing a memory to these vaccines as she might not be and then we'd have to consider repeatedly giving her vaccines or hoping she's at a low risk of catching it because all other parents have vaccinated their children. my dd has an awful lot of health problems and this is just another one that i can't seem to do anything about.

Chapsmum, can't see post re conspiracy theory...?

Sorry dinny am referring to aloha being sceptical of gorvernment reassurances... they lie and they don't care...

whoah! Who said anything about conspiracy theories? Not me. And neither did I say that MMR was given to newborn babies. In fact, the MMR has never contained mercury - as I seem to know and you don't. So please don't imply that I am ill-informed.

Oh and governments never lie, do they? The case for war was all the purest truth, wasn't it?

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Socci, so eloquently put. That is very much how I am feeling atm (but in a much less eloquent manner, lol)

My ds has been vaccinated against measles and rubella with single jabs - still waiting on mumps as the gvmt has been working to prevent importation of the vaccines to close down the single vaccination route for parents.
My dd has had the new, mercury-free jabs.

Trace amounts of mercury known as thermerosil were found in some vaccines in the US. The links between this and autism in medical studies done by leading medical bodies, not the government have never been conclusinve.
The vaccines are now all avliable thermeosil free.
My appoliges for thinking you were talking about the mmr, I asumed that because that was the thread that were on.
I agree wtiht both of you aloha and socci, that conflicting and neglecting to give all info from the government does cuase you to be mistrusting.
However, all the more reason to make informed choices, choices based on good rigorous medical information provided my medical practitioners, not neccesarily government bodies

My problem is that they weren't found there - they were deliberately put there - as a preservative. And long, long after the American Academy of Paediatrics strongly recommended the mercury be removed from vaccines, and after they had been removed from US vaccines and those in most other countries, the British government continued to permit their use on our childen - my child. There has been a recent major study on animals showing that mercury in this form can cause autism-like changes to the brain.
I feel angry and completely betrayed that my government would allow a potent toxin to be injected directly into the bloodstream of my tiny baby despite knowing there were grave reservations about its use.

I understand your anger, I do.
The 'government' have made many silly descisions in the past for bad reasons, which is why I believe when it comes to making these sorts of discisions it is better to look at the facts which proffessional medical bodies give( which to surmise do reccomened vaccinations and can make informed medical judgments on an individual basis).

dd1 has had all her vax except mmr booster, dd2 has had her baby jabs and had her mmr at 2years old (she was showing signs of AS tendancies before that anyway, so cant blame that lol)

dd3 has had her 1st lot of baby jabs, was my own fault she didnt have the full course as have been too busy. she will have her MMR at around 2years old rather than 1year old.

my kids do react very oddly to vaccines, after dd1 had the Hib booster at 3-4yrs old, she went mental for a few days then crashed. it was v v odd. At that time she was having a lot of urticia as her IgE levels all over the palce, as she is senstive to food colourings and enviromental allergens, its probably wasnt wise to give her a dose of soemthing whilst her system was haywire. dd2 just crashes for a couple of days, she doesnt go too mental, just becomes very lethargic and more screechy. drives me mad. dd3 didnt react much to her baby jabs, just a slight temp and a bit grouchey.

i wish i could just say, yes i'll jab them, and not worry about, because my dh needs protecting from all of these illnesses as he has a compromised immune system, but i cant do it. the kids didnt get the flu jab this year as i figured he wasnt at home, so why give it to them?

why did the AMP recommend removal of Hg from vaccines? Was there a conclusive study? Or were they bowing to pressure from parents' groups?

Vaccination has been an invaluabel tool in community health, no doubt about it. It's probably unclear how valuable it is in our sterile Western society - but a bit risky to find out isn't it? For example, diptheria hasn't been seen in the UK for years but are we willing to risk an epidemic by removing it from the current vaccination schedule?

The problem with our free NHS is that it has to work on a 'One Size Fits All' model of healthcare. 80% of the time this benefits us all, but there are individuals who receive sub-optimal care as a result. If you are one of these people, you'll feel passionately about the apparent lack of care - and the anti-vaccination lobby fall into this category. Sadly, the govt cannot afford to fund the level of research that would prove useful in providing an indivudally-tailored schedule for vaccination. Hypothetical example: Genetically identical twins may require different schedules due to quirky polymorphisms in their Ig genetic make-up - the level of research required to prove that hypothesis would require billions of pounds.

Unless, of course, we are all willing to pay an extra 10p/£1 income tax............

There's no conspiracy on the part of governments to introduce toxins into our infants. At that time, the preservative chemicals available were standard and nothing better was available. It was later realised that those chemicals 'may' not be such a good idea, but there's no proof either way. Was the govt correct in not removing the Thimiserol vaccines off the shelf striaght away? If no alternative was available to cover the entire population, then yes. At the time, there was no conclusive evidence that Hg was 'causing' autism or other neurodegenerative disorders. Sadly, the alternative, of mass epidemics of horrible diseases that will kill infants is too horrible to contemplate.

It's a shitty call that parents really shouldn't have to make. As a parent, you should not have to lie in bed after a vaccination wondering if you are going to wake up and find a vegetable where your bubbly infant fell asleep.

I personally don't care what other choices other parents make. I vaccinated with the standard vaccines........ but on a schedule that I felt comfortabel with (after 6 months as DS was fully BF, for example).