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Atkins diet

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Janer · 05/11/2001 21:06

I've been trying the Atkins diet and am amazed at how well it works. I'm really having a problem though with finding suitable alternatives to sugary and starchy foods. Does anyone know of a good alternative to crackers that can be used with a spread, or bread for sandwiches (I've tried the soya bread in the book but thought it was disgusting)?? Also I was wondering if anyone knows where I can get sugar free chocolate (I know it exists!), and sweetener in liquid or granulated form - I have managed to find these but only ones that contain corbohydrate which defeats the object really. Thanx

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Kia · 05/11/2001 21:31

Janer, I'll start again tommorrow, promise! I have lost most weight when I just limited myself to 2 sesame ryvita per day. I really have to limit myself to minute amounts of carbs if I'm going to loose weight. I thought the bread was yucko too, but I haven't found a better substitute for bread. Or rice. Or Pasta - my 3 favourite meals! I was doing really well untill after me hols, so I'd better get back on the wagon.

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ChanelNo5 · 04/01/2002 14:04

How is everybody going on this? I know a few Mumsnetters have tried it from reading different threads. I'm thinking of starting it on Monday, as would like to lose at least 2 stone before my 30th in a few months and this seems to offer quick results without cutting down quantity of food too much. What supplements did you take? Reading the Atkins book there seems to be things you have to take that I've never even heard of! Can you get them at Boots? Thanks for any tips!

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ChanelNo5 · 04/01/2002 15:23

Pamina - I bought a copy of Dr Atkin's New Diet revolution before Christmas. Reading it, it sounds fantastic (but of course it would, wouldn't it!) He doesn't say much about vegetarians using the diet, but you can have lots of cheese (not the low-fat varieties, shock horror!!) It is quite heavily based on using meat as your protein source though, but I don't see why a vegetarian couldn't go on it if they look for protein from other low/no carb sources. You may have to be abit more imaginative with your cooking to stop it becoming too boring, but there are lots of websites devoted to good old Dr Atkins so you may beable to find some tasty veggie recipes there. I will post again this evening to give you a summary of Atkins, as at the moment my little darlings are running riot around the house and I've no idea what they are getting upto. No school till next week - aaaaagh!

ChanelNo5 · 04/01/2002 16:48

OK, I'm unexpectedly back. kids are occupied watching CBBC and eating TicTacs, the other is having a nap - bliss! I took one look at the state of my kitchen and decided I'd rather go back on the computer.

Without going into mind-boggling details, I'll just tell you about the 14 day induction part of the Atkins diet as this is what you must do first to get that lard shiftin'.
Here goes:-
1.You must have no more than 20 grams of carbohydrate a day (that is 170g of salad veg or 120g of salad veg and 130g of cooked veg - will telll you exactly which veg you can have later)

2.You're not on a quantitive diet so should eat to suit your appetite. Eat until satisfied but not stuffed (as if we would!).

3.You are on a qualitative diet, so if the food is not on the list of allowed foods you must not touch it with a barge pole.

4.Your diet will consist of pure proteins, pure fats (ie. butter, olive oil & mayo) and combinations of protein and fat. But definitely NOT protein/carb or fat/carb combinations.

Free foods are all meat, fish and fowl. Also, all shellfish, eggs and cheese (but not low fat varieties)

Salad veg you are allowed are;-lettuce, chives, parsley, cucumber, radishes, fennel, peppers, celery, alfalfa sprouts, mushrooms, olives (and a few other weird sounding things, so I've left them off!)

Ok herbs are;- dill, basil, rosemary, thyme and oregano.

Other veg you can have;- asparagus, string beans, cabbage, cauliflower, aubergine, leeks, spinach, courgettes, summer squash (not sure if this is butternut squash) courgettes, okra, pumpkin, turnips, broccoli, kale, tomato, onion, rhubarb, avocado, bean sprouts, water chestnuts, snow peapods, celeriac, brussel sprouts, artichoke hearts & yet again anything with a weird name I've left off!

For salad dressings, you can use desired oil plus vinegar/lemon juice and spices. Add grated cheese or chopped eggs aswell.

Drinks;- water, decaff tea/coffee, diet fizzy drinks (only artificial sweeteners allowed are saccharin, aspartame and acesulfame-k), herb tea and cream (whipping or single).

You also have to supplement your diet with a broadbased multivitamin (I'm taking Multibionta), chromium picolinate (helps the action of insulin), L-Carniture (helps with fat mobilization) BTW, Boots have a product called Chromaslim which has these 2 in it, so I think that I will get that. Also, GLA and EPA oils (I think Efamol contains these) Also co-enzyme Q10 can be a useful one to have. There are some others he suggests, but I think that these ones are the most important ones. I've noticed from reading some other Mumsnetters' postings that they have taken some of these supplements when trying to lose weight.

I think that is just about all that you need to know about the Induction plan. You just have to try to be creative with the foods that you can have to try to make exciting meals (atleast there's no calorie restriction, even if it is a bit boring!) He also recommends getting some ketosis/lypolysis testing strips, but really only to prove to yourself that you are excreting ketones in your wee and therefore burning up your fat.

Hope I haven't made it sound more complicated than it is. What do you think, might you give it a go? I think it does shift fat quite quickly which is why it really appeals to me. If I can see visible results quickly, I'm more likely to be spurred on and stick with it. Speak to you later!

Crunchie · 04/01/2002 17:35

Pamina, I think this is not really a good diet for veggies as tofu & quorn from what I understand are not allowed. You do lose weight because you are eating next to nothing. As a veggie like me on the Atkins diet you can eat eggs, cheese and a small cup of salad veggies a day and errrr that's about it. So it's omlettes for breakfast, mushroom omlette for lunch and oooh a cheese omlette for supper! If you want to vary things how about boiled eggs!

Seriously I think this plan is not exactly a safe way of eating, you may as well do the cabbage soup diet, or the one they've had in the evening standard this week that talks about negative calorie food, like celery.

As you know from other threads I am a big fan of Slimming World, and as a veggie I find this really works, although you do tend to fart a lot! Basically on green days (which is all you'll probably have) you can have unlimited quantities of various foods, added extras which have to be weighed and sins like chocolate! A quick run down is

Unlimited (try to have wholegrain versions if poss)
Pasta
Rice
Potatoes
Other grains like couscous and polenta
All Vegetables inc. sweetcorn
All Fruit inc. bananas
Very low fat cottage cheese and fromage frais
Quark
Very low fat natural yoghurt
Quorn
All herbs and spices
Marmite
Eggs

Healthy Extras which need to be weighed (1 from list A and 2 from list B)
List A
Milk (various quantities depending on skimmed/semi skimmed)
Cheese (approx 1oz of hard cheeses and 2oz of lower fat cheese)

List B
Approx 1oz of most bran based cereals
2 weetabix
1oz Porridge Oats
1 slice of wholemeal bread
4 ryvitas
various crispbreads
small quantity of meat/fish/shellfish
Cooked fruits
some soups

Then everything else has a sin value, and you can have 10 sins a day. A packet of crisps is about 6 sins.

You shouls visit the SW website on www.slimming-world.com for extra ideas and meal plans to see if you like it. Then if you think it's for you (say try the 5 day plan) you can join a class.

Seriously I am not trying to sell SW, I just know it worked so well for me, I lost nearly 3 stone in 5 months and I never felt hungry, and have changed my eating habits without buying expensive suppliments or eating strange foods. If you want I can open a thread on diets again and we can do some new year supporting and sharing of ideas. I have hundreds of 'free food' recipes which mean I can save my sins and have a meal out without guilt. I also drink the odd glass of wine and eat curry (certain supermarket ones are 'free'

I know I sound like a diet bore, but I am chuffed that I have kept the weight off 5 months down the track (OK a few lbs over Christmas, but they'll be gone in a week or two)

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jasper · 07/01/2002 00:18

Not sure if I mentioned this before. I have "done" Atkins, after baby no. 2 and several months of so called sensible low fat eating and exercise made very little differemce to my fat wee body! I was VERY impressed at how well the diet worked. On one level it is easy because you can eat lots of very tasty meats, cheese, and stuff not normally associated with trying to lose weight, but on another level it is very dificult because there is no room for manoever.You can't have just a little of what you fancy if what you fancy is toast and Jam, or even a big bowl of rice.You CAN have alcohol ( wine or spirits) in moderation however.
But the weight loss for me was so impresseive and a great motivation to keep going.
I lost about 25 pounds in three or four months.
I agree that it would be extremely difficult for a vegetarian to follow the diet, but for a meat lover it is great.
It seems to me ( this is not based on anything other than personal/family experience ) that some individuals do seem to be sensitive to carbohydrates in some, possibly psychological way. Once you start on them you find it very hard to stop. Atkins explains it in terms of insulin release but it is quite complicated and you need to spend a bit of time reading the book to understand it.
I know for sure I consumed many more calories a day on Atkins than I did on my low fat diet, and lost weight much more successfully on Atkins.
I would recommend it to those who have struggled to lose weight while adhering to conventional low fat diets. I wsa extremely skeptical and decided to give it a go for one month no matter what. It worked so well I kept going, only stopping when I discovered I was pregnant again.

jasper · 07/01/2002 00:21

Meant to add that I had my body fat ratio monitored by my friend who is a fitness instructor, and the weight loss was definately mainly fat, not water.Although fellow fatties out there will relate to my feeling that at some points I did not care what the weight loss was - fat, water, bone for all I cared!! ( just kidding)

ChanelNo5 · 07/01/2002 08:56

Jasper - where did you get all the multitude of supplements that you are supposed to take on Atkins from? Great to hear that you did so well on it as this is the diet that I am just about to try.

Pamina - Today is D-day so Good Luck. Will speak to you later about how we get on, although so far this Atkins is the strangest diet I've ever been on. Hope that I'm not the exception to the rule and put even more weight on!

Rhiannon · 07/01/2002 19:43

I tried the Atkins diet and spent most of my time with terrible diarrhoea. Felt so ill on it I gave up. R.

debster · 07/01/2002 20:18

Hi everyone

I'm back on the Atkins Diet today after having gorged myself stupid over the holiday season. I need to lose 2 stone and find this diet the easiest to stick to as it allows you to eat the quantities you want. My only bug bear with it is having eggs for breakfast every day! There is quite a good uk low-carb website called www.low-carbdiet.co.uk which I find. A great discovery: Thorntons diabetic chocolate and toffees. Completely legal on a low carb diet but don't eat loads in one go as it has a laxative effect apparently!! Tastes absolutely delicious - just like real choc. Can't be bad eh!

Good luck to everyone and let's keep each other motivated.

debster · 07/01/2002 20:19

Sorry, meant to say "which I find useful"

jasper · 08/01/2002 00:38

Chanel, I did not take ANY supplements.Icould not believe they were necessary because Iwaseating a good range of healthy stuff and I am basically opposed to taking supplements.
I felt fine. A bit odd in the first week.
I read the book from cover to cover twice to get my head around the basic concept of the diet . I repeat, I was quite skeptical and it was abit of a last resort. Once I got into the way of it I did not bother with the book, just ate plenty of protein rich foods, plus a fair bit of fatty things, moderate portions of not too carby salad and veg, etc. It did not feel abnormal, unhealthy or faddy. I did not stuff my face but nor did I ever go hungry.
If I was peckish for a sweety I had sugar free jelly with a dollop of whipped cream, or cocoa made with sweetener and a dod of whipped cream.
You really don't feel too deprived when you can snack on emental cheese slices, and a tub of smoked salmon and cream cheese from M&S.
Whenever my dad needed to lose weight back in the 70s he would cut out starchy foods - no bread, potatoes, rice, pasta, etc. but would still eat lts of meat, chicken, fish, and vegetables. I suppose this is not too far from Atkins.
I go out for a meal with two friends once a month and I did find it very difficult in the particular restaurants we go to but I have heard many people comment on how easy it is to follow in restaurants.
I would love to hear how you get on.

JoAnne427 · 22/03/2002 09:59

Anyone doing the Atkins? I am on day six, and really getting sick of meat and cheese. But I have tried so many ways to lose, and nothing works! (Need to lose 40 lbs.) I think I have lost 5lbs. just this week. And I say "think" because I seem to be able to gain and lose that in a day sometimes!

I do feel a bit worried about what I feel is an unhealthy way to eat - slowly over the past year I have been eating more fish/fruit/veg/grains and less meat/cheese etc. And I rarely ever drink! (Which was not the case two years ago, when I was much thinner pre-preg!).

But it just is not coming off any other way - even dp (who need to gain!) says that I eat no more than anyone else, eat healthier than him, etc., but just can't seem to take the weight off.

So I suppose I am just looking for some support from others who have successfuly kept the weight off after losing it Atkins style, or are doing the diet now and can occasionally post updates.

Two worries - there is no way I am giving up caffeine! I love my cup in the morning! I've recently given up smoking, and now coffee is my treat (max two a day). And I know I cannot give up fruit for very long - to me a good canteloupe is like a candy bar! I've stopped for now, but as spring has sprung - I want fresh fruit! Just hope these two things won't sabotage me long run...

I am proud, however, for sticking to this for six days already! Especially when I am now unemployed and home much more than before - and DP brought home a big bucket of choc. covered pretzels last week - my absolute favorite! As we sat on the couch last night in front of tv, I watched him eat the last one - and silently congratulated myself for never dipping in! Fingers crossed he does not go out and buy another! I believe I am coveting his snacks...

ChanelNo5 · 22/03/2002 12:19

Hi joanne427 - I've been harping on (and off!) about Atkins since I started on it at beginning of Jan this year. Have lost alot of weight on it, and after initially finding it a bit tricky giving up sweet things, when I got into the swing of things found it very easy. Trouble is, have been at Disneyland Paris this week and lapsed back into carb-guzzling big time, so now I'm finding it hard to get back into Atkins again (you know what I mean, blood sugar drops, you feel light-headed, crave sugar, have some, feel ok for a bit and then the whole cycle starts again!) I actually think my body copes alot better on an Atkins style diet (ie. my blood sugar levels seem to be much more stable) I couldn't give up caffeine either, just couldn't face the thought of withdrawal headaches, also have really got to love cream in my coffee. Couldn't totally give up booze (although I did during the induction diet bit) and started having gin and slimline tonic as I think this is the lowest carb booze, then started slowly slipping back into having wine again, and now since going to Paris am very much back into wine (afterall I've got a car boot's worth to drink!) I know it's hard to give up fruit, but I think if you can cut down as much as possible, you will see quicker results. If you can manage to indulge on salads more, that is better. Also, drink as much water as you can as it's very good for fat-burning. I did start exercising more too (going to the gym) so it's not all totally down to Atkins, but still, I think it's a great diet, has really worked for me as I hate restrictive calorie counting diets. You can count on me for support and I'll let you know how I get on too. Good Luck!

JoAnne427 · 22/03/2002 13:17

That would be great - thank you! I need to have someone to share successes (and the occasional demise) with! My friends will just tell me I am insane for doing it this way, so I am not even telling anyone.

DD is a year on April 27th - her party the following Saturday - besides the fact that the excuse of "I've just had a baby" loses absolutely all credibility by now, I want to look back to my old self by the party - or at least a reasonable facsimile!

All that French wine sounds great!

ChanelNo5 · 22/03/2002 13:34

April 27th is my birthday too (although I've got a few years on your dd!!!!!!!!!)

JoAnne427 · 24/03/2002 12:43

How funny! I knew I liked you After all, it is my favorite day (427)...

BTW - I feel great! I started the program over a week ago, and have definitely lost 5 lbs - and started doing yoga again this week - my body has that wonderful sore/strong feeling you get when you begin to work out again!

It seems to be getting less difficult to stay disciplined, as the excitement of being thin is taking over the desire to jump into the bucket of choc. covered pretzels (which dp bought again yesterday, the bum! ).

bayleaf · 24/03/2002 12:56

I was interested to see this thread as I had been round to a friend's to try and borrow the book yesterday only to find that she wouldn't let it out of the house as she was using it!

Thanks to the people who have typed out all the ''allowed'' things!

I actually don't want to follow it exactly - just to do a low carb diet as I'm a possibly PCOS sufferer and have read that it could help - so my aim is health related rather than diet ( tho would love to lost half a stone or so if poss!)

I know that the GI index is important too re PCOS but am unsure where I can get a full list of GI values - anyone know???

ChanelNo5 · 24/03/2002 16:26

Oh, I see where the 427 (in joAnne 427) comes from now. And there was me thinking that there must be 426 joannes already registered on mumsnet before you!!!!!!!!!!! Of course, us awkward English folk put the day before the month, which would make me Chanelno274 (not quite got the same ring to it!) Hope you'll be having a big party for your dd like I'm going to be having for me!

ChanelNo5 · 24/03/2002 16:28

Bayleaf - Good Luck on your low-carb diet, I'll be around for advice and support.