mmr yes or no? really confused

[ariane5]

I have 3 dcs-all up to date with immunisations except mmr.

DD1 (9) didn't have it as at the time i read so much negative press etc about it that i was too scared as it just didn't seem safe, i felt fine about all the others as never heard anything negative about them at all.

I know it has since been reported that the scare stories about mmr were just that and were not based on any credible investigations but i still cant get it out of my head, all those parents convinced their children were damaged by it.

Ds and DD2 (4 and 1) both have severe allergies (egg the worst ) and the hv had said no def dont get mmr done which i accepted and was ok with as saved me yet more agonising decisions. However my new gp 9 old one accepted my choice ) has been on at me CONSTANTLY will not take no for an answer and just says mine are the only children at the surgery who have not had mmr and they need it, i get a phone call every few weeks about it and feel really pressurised, gp has now made hosp appt for 2 younger dcs to have it at local hosp but iam not sure-something is just telling me not to do it.

but then of course i worry about measles, im just so confused and dont know what to do for the best

any advice would be greatly appreiciated, thanks

arianne - I haven't given my DS the MMR, for a variety of reasons that include allergies. He has allergy testing starting in December and I'm reserving and judgement till then, he's nearly 2. TBH, I'm unlikely to ever give him it, I may however give him single measles vacc but even that I'm not sure of. I had the measles as a child with no complications.

Would much prefer DS to have the mumps as a child and will get his immunity tested before puberty and take it from there if he's not immune.

Autism is a pdd, pdd does not have to be autism. Try to grasp basics before you lecture others. Whoever posted the comments on this being a case of proof that mmr caue autism either didnt understand tge verdict or lied to makd a point. Which is no better than one expects from your camp.

No dear, tgats precision. Its rather important when it comes to science,medicine, the law etc. i can see why you dont use it though, too inconvenient.

Why would you presume to know my experience in any matter? Are you adding psychic to your woo credentials?

If I was in your situation I would investigate the single measles jab for now, because measles is a dangerous disease for some children.

You can decide at a later date whether to go for MMR when mumps becomes more of a risk for boys (puberty), and rubella becomes a risk for girls (when pregnancy becomes a risk).

Your GP is definitely in the wrong for putting you under so much pressure - yes they do get extra cash if they can get a high percentage of children on their books vaccinated. I don't think that is why your GP is pushing - some GPs are incredibly ill-informed about vaccinations. I know because mine is one of the ill informed ones.

mrsstephenfry - why the aggression?

pdd-nos is often used as a label instead of asd. there was an interesting study done on how and why children/adults end up with a dx of ASD, AS or PDD-NOS. Review of the dx criteria (subtle shades of the same 3 main points), and the actual diagnostic data taken in order to decide which dx. Interestingly, it found that the end dx was not likely to be due to dfferences in presentation, or distintctions in how they were afected, but more likely to be down to preference of the person doing the diagnosis. there were pockets of preference, but overall, there was no discernible pattern as to why people were dx'd with ASD, AS or PDD-NOS - which there should be, of course, if there are actual distinct differences.

the dx you end up with can be very political, ime.

Run out? Not even started since you cant manage the basic elements. Its not really worth my time explaining though.

Why do people insist on attributing emotion such as agression to text? You know thats impossible if you think about it. Simple attribution error perhaps?

Think ill hide thread and let you have the same exact conversation you have over and over ad nauseum in tjis topic. Arent you bored to death doing so?

think i will definately look into the single measles jab and see what i can find out about that as really measles is my main concern. i had rubella and mumps as a child as did my brother and we were not particularly unwell at all.

Will do some research and have a good long think (again)

Ariane5, don't know if you are still checking this thread. There is loads of research and info available addressing the egg allergy issue including recommendations for practise and likely risk of reaction. Would you like me to link/post it?

yes please any info would be really helpful, thankyou PIMSoclock

In terms of MMR there are two slightly different takes on the risk of allergy with MMR (given a pre existing egg allergy)

The first school of thought is that MMR is safe for children with egg allergy:
Measles, mumps, and rubella ? Most anaphylactic reactions to MMR are due to gelatin allergy. There is no relation to egg allergy since the vaccine contains no, or a minuscule amount of, egg protein. The safety of administering MMR vaccine to people with egg allergy was demonstrated in a study of 54 children who had never been vaccinated, but had confirmed egg allergy. Skin testing was performed with the vaccine in 17 children, and 3 were positive. All the children were given the MMR vaccine as a single full dose and none had immediate or delayed adverse reactions
Ref
Sakaguchi M, Nakayama T, Inouye S (1996) Food allergy to gelatin in children with systemic immediate-type reactions, including anaphylaxis, to vaccines.
Allergy Clin Immunol. 98(6 Pt 1):1058.

Ref and abstract
James JM, Burks AW, Roberson PK, Sampson HA (1995) Safe administration of the measles vaccine to children allergic to eggs.
Engl J Med. 332(19):1262.

BACKGROUND: The safety of administering the combined measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine to patients who are allergic to eggs has been debated for decades because of concern about potential anaphylaxis, since the live attenuated virus used in the vaccine is grown in cultured chick-embryo fibroblasts.
METHODS: We recruited 54 children (mean age, 18.5 months) who had not previously been vaccinated and were allergic to eggs. The children's histories of allergy were confirmed with skin tests and double-blind, placebo-controlled food-challenge tests; some children also underwent skin testing with the MMR vaccine. We then routinely administered the vaccine to the children in one subcutaneous (0.5-ml) dose.

RESULTS: All 54 children had positive results on skin testing with egg. Allergy to eggs was confirmed in 26 of the children by convincing histories of anaphylaxis after the ingestion of eggs, in 22 children by food-challenge tests, and in 6 patients by convincing histories of recent allergic reactions occurring after the ingestion of eggs. Of the 17 children who underwent skin testingwith the MMR vaccine, 3 had positive results. All 54 children received the MMR vaccine as a single subcutaneous injection; none had an immediate or delayed adverse reaction.

CONCLUSIONS: The MMR vaccine can be safely administered in a single dose to children with allergy to eggs, even those with severe hypersensitivity.

The UK school of thought seems to err on the side of caution that a reaction could still be a possibility despite the evidence
this BMJ article reviews the literature and makes some sensible conclusions and in fact in 2008 the Royal Collage of physicians made the recommendation that MMR could be safely be given to children with a history of egg allergy in primary care, there is no need for hospital administration. There has been no major concerns raised since this change in guidelines

MMR is not the only vaccine with links to egg extract, the other vaccines that do are the flu jabs. Is this something you want more information on?
(yellow fever and rabies also do but I take it your not quite at that stage yet? )

poke to the gp about flu jabs due to the dcs other health problems and they said def not to have it if allergic to eggs so only dd1 could have it as she doesnt have the egg allergy. i was trying to find out if they did an egg free flu jab this year but apparently not.

LeonieDelt

In that case your children should not be allowed to go to school, travel on public transport or visit crowded places. You are endangering your own children's lives and those of people who are unvacinated.

How ridiculous. Should we prevent babies who are too young to be vaccinated from being in public too? What about people who were vaccinated years ago and may no longer have immunity? What about those who were vaccinated but who aren't immune due to vaccines not being 100% effective?