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Homepathic Medication

60 replies

Birchy · 01/11/2005 21:06

What are your views on this? I've tried it for myself and my ds and dd. I think it is great and works so well for us. My ds has ADHD and Aspergers and my daughter has a problem with her tummy which my GP has no idea what it is (or was!!!)
I didn't want to go the Ritalin way with my ds it just didn't feel right for me and for our family.
Would love to hear your views on this.

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GeorginaA · 03/11/2005 09:40

prufrock: could you clear something up for me?

What's the position on tea drinking with homeopathic medicines? Some places don't mention tea at all (just ban coffee (even decaf), mint, etc), others say okay as long as you don't drink 30 mins before or after taking a remedy, and still others say NO tea, coffee at all.

(I only ask, cos last night I was DESPERATE for a cuppa and ended up having one a full hour before due the next dose ).

bundle · 03/11/2005 10:20

prufrock, it's clearly not "scientific" in the sense that many double-blind trials have failed to support claims that it works better than placebo (let alone, how you do placebo for homeopathy..).

But that's not to say it doesn't work - the nature of the consultation etc means that (imo) it's a very powerful enhanced placebo effect which definitely should have a place in modern healthcare.

bundle · 03/11/2005 10:22

davros, that's really interesting...i'm reading up on scleroderma for work..who do you recommend I speak to?

Prufrock · 03/11/2005 13:17

Georgina - No bloody idea - give me a chance I have 4 more years of learning to go (Though I will ask my tutor for you)

bundle - why are randomised double blind trials - an evaluation method invented for conventional medicine in the relativly recent past- the only measure of scientificity (if that's a word)? They are brilliant for circumstances where you need to know whether a particular drug has the action you expect, but they don't work for homeopathy because homeopathy doesn't pretend that a remedy will work for an illness. We don't try to kill bacteria, or reduce blood pressure levels, or chelate bile acids with a remedy, we just use them to encourage the body to do what it is meant to do.

In very early examples, homeoapthy was used very succesfully to treat epidemics of scarlet fever and cholera and had a success rate (ie, patient didn't die)of over 95%. Crucially, each patient was not prescibed the same remedy, but one of a range that produced similar symptoms depending on how each individual presented. Obviously nowadays we'd just take the correct antibiotic, because modern medicine has evolved some very effective direct treatments, but there are still many other diseases where we cannot "fix" the problem with a magic bullet type of drug.

A proper evaluation would be for a homeopath to go through patients consultations and prescribe as normal, but have randomised patients handed either a placebo or the prescribedremedy in double blind - however I doubt many homeopaths would be willing ot take part - they already know their methods work, so why put patients health at risk to convince unconvincible cynics?

And you say an "enhanced" placebo effect - what else but teh remdy can be providing that enhancement?

Ulysees · 03/11/2005 13:24

prufock, my son was just 3 when I first took him to my homeopath. He was a very picky eater, getting thin and picked up bugs all the time. At the appointment he took his first (crushed) tablet. My dh picked us up and ds1 fell asleep in the car....unheard of.....then woke up later wanting an orange even though he hadn't liked them before??!! That is God's honest truth and proved to me undoubtedly, though I didn't really need it, that homepathy works. Plus our Organic dairy use it on the cows and I don't think they're susceptible to placebo

Ulysees · 03/11/2005 13:25

Oh sorry missed the important bit, ds1 ate well from that day onward and is a hungry horace nowadays 4 years later

GeorginaA · 03/11/2005 13:37

hehe prufrock - get to it girl ;)

And when you do become qualified, please can you take internet patients

Prufrock · 03/11/2005 13:41

It was a similar example that convinced me Ullyses - dd was 1 and had had a constant cold for about months. Practically every weeknd was spent cuddling her through fevers so high she'd jsut lie floppily in our arms, we went through a bottle of calpol a month and I was running out of holiday form work. Post remedy, she didn't have another sniffle for over 9 months, whilst all the other kids at nursery were still getting as sick. 3 years on, she is a very healthy girl, in fact I can't remeber the last time she was ill, and I've had to throw away out of date bottles of calpol!

Ulysees · 03/11/2005 13:43

Glad to hear it prufrock Funnily enough my 2 never get colds.

bundle · 03/11/2005 13:44

quite simply prufrock, because then it is simply anecdotal...I can say that the Double Decker I've just had a chunk of, has warded away colds this week when it's simply not the case.

GeorginaA · 03/11/2005 13:47

Oh meant to say (sorry, more anecdotal, lol) - prufrock after a day of the sulphur remedy I'm much much better. No fever, no swelling and most importantly I feel human and upbeat again for the first time in about a fortnight... Thanks for the chat the other night

Prufrock · 03/11/2005 13:48

Georgina - if you can't wait that long, my old homeopath, Adrianna does online consults

GeorginaA · 03/11/2005 13:48

Oooo ... ta. Bookmarked

bundle · 03/11/2005 13:48

ok then...
...the fact that I've never given my dds homeopathic remedies proves that not having them reduces the number of colds they have (NOT) (they do have remarkably few colds, btw...)

bundle · 03/11/2005 13:49

online consults?????? what happened to ethics/checks/balances????

GeorginaA · 03/11/2005 13:54

bundle: when there's a 3 month waiting list to see your local homeopath, you get what you can get

Prufrock · 03/11/2005 13:54

Jeez bundle - not content with dissing homepathy you're now dissing the healing power of chocolate

Fundamentally conventional medicine and homeopathy disagree on what constitutes a cure. TBH, anecdotal evidence of "I feel much better" is all I really want to achieve. When I was pregnant first time round and had bile acids levels of 30 I didn't feel "cured" when the drugs brought them back down to 10, I still felt terrible (of course, I did appreciate the fact my babe was much less likley to die at levels of 10 than 30)

Blandmum · 03/11/2005 14:03

I've just eaten some kitkats.....how soon can I expect my headache to get better???

GeorginaA · 03/11/2005 14:03

And ... thinking about it ... I view online and telephone homeopath consultations (usually for emergency/sudden illness cases rather than a protracted condition) is sort of the equivalent of phoning NHS Direct and them recommending you get some ibuprofen in... (or eye drops, or whatever else you can easily buy over the counter).

I'd much rather a quick phonecall to say "right, I've got these symptoms and I'm thinking either sulphur or belladona - which do you think is a better match?" then go through the whole palaver of trying to make an appointment and not being able to get one until next week some time (if you were lucky).

Ulysees · 03/11/2005 14:47

my homeopath takes free phone calls and emails in between visits and sends remedies, also free in between.

Fauve · 03/11/2005 14:51

Prufrock, I've never seen homeopathy so clearly defended before.

Bundle, what do you say to the veterinary use of homeopathy, for racehorses, cows, etc? They can't be experiencing an enhanced placebo effect can they - they don't know what they're being treated with?

Ulysees · 03/11/2005 14:53

You can bang your head off the wall over and over. Sometimes it's best to just let be IMO.

bundle · 03/11/2005 14:59

I would never diss chocolate

If anyone does feel like consulting a homeopath (and I have in the past, because I believe in the power of placebo ) then I would advise visiting a qualified doctor who is also a homeopath, you can request this through your GP

bundle · 03/11/2005 15:00

NHS Direct would never make a diagnosis over the phone

bundle · 03/11/2005 15:01

georgina that's what I call money for old rope. where do you live?