the end of the MMR "myth"?

[buffytheharpsichordcarrier]

saw this reported yesterday

Fairydust, I'm more than surprised that you think anyone would have put your daughter's CP down to MMR - how, exactly? AFAIK there is no way that MMR could cause CP, it's a completely different issue - so would be interested to hear why you think it might have been blamed.

here we go . The abstract. Regression is real in autism (as is being autistic from birth)- the question is why it happens and what triggers it.

It's ok Edam, you aren't frightening me! I was just interested because I have IBS (was severe but not too bad nowadays)and my ds is autistic with gut problems. I have always thought that our 'symptoms' are remarkably similar and wondered about a link.

my son has gut problems and i would rather crawl over burning hot coals thank have him get the MMR. I have even been told by a highly respected doctor who gives singles that he would be hesitant to even give him a single measles jab, so I feel a bit stuck about what to do. However, i was interested in what tatt said about children with gut problems having a worse reaction to wild measles. This is something i have tried to find out but can't, wonder how tatt came to that conclusion? Let me know if poss. Thought the articles was ridiculously smug. And the new research i read from Wakefield said the Japanese research was skewed, as children were gettting the single vaccines 4 weeks apart - therefore almost the same as getting the MMR - not enough time in between. Everyone else seems to have omitted this crucial factor in their reporting. I suspect as bakabat says MMR is safe for most, but that doesn;t mean there isn't a small number of children who deserve recognition or protection and they aren't going to get it.

My 2 boys are both on the autistic spectrum but the MMR was in no way responsible. The signs were there long before. There seems to be a myth in the media that parents don't notice that their child is any different to other children until around 18 months old and that this coincides with when the MMR was given. IMHO there is a world of difference between children like my own who have had subtle signs since birth and those who, as Bakabat describes, suddenly start having seizures and regressing immediately after the MMR.

I also have very little faith in the system used for reporting individual reactions to vaccinations. Ds1 stopped breathing after his 1st and 2nd dose of DTP. The first time it was dismissed as a coincidence that it had happened on the day that he had his 1st set of imms. The 2nd time it happened while under observation in hospital and we were fortunate that a doctor there had heard of a similar case where the child was allergic to the whooping cough element. How was ds1's case recorded? "A mild adverse reaction". Anyone reading those words would presume he'd had a small rash or something. Is it really "mild" when a baby stops breathing twice?

Ive posted this before so forgive me if I bore the pants off you.

Ds2 was a happy healthy and contented toddler. He talked well and was very sociable. We had no concerns with regards to his development and at his 2 yr check he passed with flying colours.

I held off with him having his MMR due to the fact that at the time the news was filtering through re suspected connection between Autism and the MMR.

DS2 had a routine weight/height check at the HV's and whilst there she said that it was about time I had DS2 vaccinated. I gave in and agreed.
Within 12 hours DS2 was convulsing and was rushed to the hospital in an abulance with the lights and sirens flashing.Dh and I thought he was going to die
He was put in isolation and given massive doses of Augmentin by IV, because he had a viral infection??? The Paed told us it was not at all possible that Ds2 was having a negative reaction to the MMR???

Ds2 was then aged 2yrs and 7 months....he never spoke from that night until he was nearly 6 years old. My bright little chatterbox had disappeared in to his own world and nothing we did would pull him back.

Dx with Autism at the age of 9 and still no answers as to what the viral infection was despite us asking on numerous occassions.

I have meet so many families who have had similar experiences...no connection....I dont think so.

jayzmummy- your story is very similar to my friend's almost identical. Although her paed has said it was an mmr reaction and probably did trigger his autism, although they'll never know for sure. Her ds is the same age as ds1(6) and at ds1's school (SLD) - he's never spoken since either.

that is so sad jayzmummy - i am so sorry you have had got thru that. I just don't understand how this can still go on and no one is going to recognise it.

i mean i am so sorry you have had to go thru that.