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Prozaq & breast feeding

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lubu · 14/09/2003 13:30

My doctor wants me to go onto prozaq for post natal depression. However, she has told me that I need to wean dd off first before she will prescribe it. She has prescribed something else (Gamanil?) which is helping me go to sleep at night but apparantly it is not going to do the job properly.

I am really enjoying breastfeeding and dd won't take a bottle very easily so I wanted to continue until she can have a cup.

Has anyone else ever taken prozaq and breast fed, or should I just wean her off and accept it?

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pie · 14/09/2003 14:44

I have bben offered Prozac for depression, and I'm nearly 36 weeks pregnant.

I weaned DD off when she was a year so I could go back on Prozac but this was because I would be on a very high dose.

If I decide to go back on now, then it will have to be a low dose and non of my doctors have suggested that I don't breastfeed. All have told me (thats GP, psychiatrist and OB) that it is preferable for my baby to have happier mother and be breastfeeding then an unhappy mother b/f. I haven't entertained the idea of bottle feeding as the idea of not feeding my baby myself really knocks my self confidence. I explained this to my Docs, that I personally would feel inadequate and so more depressed if I couldn't b/f. All said fine, thats ok, as it would be counterproductive in that case to expect me to stop.

I have to stress though that this info has been given to me on the basis that I only take the regular 20mg dose, if I have to go up, then it would be best to stop as there is very little info on higher doses and b/f.

You could also ask your GP about Paxil, another SSRI (the type of anti depressant Prozac is), I know a few women who have been prescribed this and b/f. Paxil and even Zoloft are generally considered to be slightly safer to a nursing infant than Prozac. In order of safeness that would be Zoloft, Paxil then Prozac...so maybe worth discussing your options more?

You can look here for info on anti depressants and b/f...Dr Hale does alot of work on medications and b/f.

In the end though I think that you have to do what you feel is right and fair, and if that means weaning earlier than you hoped then your baby will be ok!

Hope this helps, just remember that your baby needs a mentally healthy mum as much as breastmilk.

pie · 14/09/2003 14:47

Also meant to say that you could print off some of the research by Dr Hale to show to your Dr, I don't think that she should be putting such an ultimatum on you as there are options available for you to take and anti depressant and b/f if you feel thats what you want to do.

JJ · 14/09/2003 16:18

Here's another overview of some information by Dr Hale.

I used the Kelly's Attachment Parenting site throughout breastfeeding for its excellent information (usually from Dr Hale's book) about drugs and breastfeeding.

Good luck to you both.

lubu · 14/09/2003 23:42

Thanks for all the info, have got to go back and see the doctor so will discuss it again with her, might get the health visitor involved as she is very supportive of breast feeding.

At least I know how to spell it now

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Nickynoodle · 14/09/2003 23:55

Are you sure you need prosac? I did the edinburgh test for postnatal depresion, and my health visitor told me i was in a bad way because i scored 10 points. The questions were; are you tired? yes, do you cry? yes, do you sometimes wish you hadnt had children (sorry to say at the time i said yes! sleep deprivation!) I refused any drugs, didn't think i was depressed, just shocked at the massive lifestyle change. I hope you are not in a bad way but truly believe that having children effecfts women more than they ever realise!

marthamoo · 15/09/2003 10:02

Lubu,

I have had pnd with both my sons and took anti-d's while bf-ing both. With ds1 I took imipramine (old style tricyclic) as my GP would not prescribe one of the newer SSRIs (eg., Prozac) as there had been no clinical trials of them in conjunction with bf-ing. Imipramine barely took the edge off my depression and I had horrendous side effects. I eventually ended up on Prozac 18 months after ds1 was born (stopped bf-ing at 12 months) and it worked wonders for me.

When the pnd kicked in with ds2 I made the decision to stop bf-ing and go straight onto Prozac (he was 6 weeks old). With the great benefit of hindsight, bf-ing my first son was not worth the hell I and my family/friends went through. When I went to see my (new) GP, however, she told me she was prepared to prescribe an SSRI while I was breast-feeding..she put me on Cipramil and it has been fantastic. It is in the same family as Prozac but seems to be the drug of choice for PND at the moment. While bf-ing caution is advised - my GP told me this meant I should keep a close eye on my baby for signs of drowsiness, but bf-ing is not a contra-indication. DS2 was fine, no drowsiness, no adverse effects at all, and I carried on bf-ing until he was 8 months old.

Could you ask your GP about Cipramil (or maybe see a different GP at your practice)? It would help if they would be a bit consistent about what they will/won't prescribe

As far as I can see if you want to keep bf-ing you definitely should (you need to hang on to all the positive things you can) but it's hard if your GP won't budge from her position on bf-ing/anti-d's.

Good luck and I really hope you get the help you need soon.

mears · 15/09/2003 19:24

You can take Prozac while breastfeeding. We got information from the manufacturer because of a woman who desperately wanted to feed. I will look at the info tomorrow and report back.

lubu · 16/09/2003 20:57

Nickynoodle - yes I am sure it is pnd. I have been trying to convince myself that it would just get better, but it has been getting worse. In the end dh convinced me to go to the doctors last week. You are definately right about the massive lifestyle change though, especially going from one to two!

Marthamoo - the tablets the doctor gave me are the old style ones. I have only been on them a week, but I am sure they are making me worse. I just want to carry on with the b/f for a few more months as dd is so awkward about bottles (not being used to them) and also it seems to be the only thing that i feel I am doing right at the moment - I feel completely inadequate in everything else. Was more depressed after seeing the doctor than I was before!

Anyway, on a positive note, armed with all this info, I am going to see the HV tomorrow and see what can be done.

Thanks guys, I couldn't even talk to mum or dh about all of this, they just couldn't understand why I was still crying!

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aloha · 16/09/2003 21:02

Don't give up the breastfeeding if it will make you feel worse. Honestly, GPs, sometimes they really do know nothing at all (having said that, mine's great).

mears · 16/09/2003 23:55

Lubu - wasn't able to copy the info today because I had a hectic day at work. Sorry about that. Will get it ASAP.

mears · 17/09/2003 00:05

Thought this link might help

here

lubu · 17/09/2003 18:06

Thanks Mears - took all the info in today, but I ended up just giving in and said that I will wean her off.

Funny, when it's the kids, I argue the point out, but when it's me I just give in and say "whatever you think is best", pathetic!

I think I will just carry on and see whether these tablets work after a couple of weeks and carry on breastfeeding. I am having quite a good day today so fingers crossed

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lubu · 17/09/2003 18:06

Thanks Mears - took all the info in today, but I ended up just giving in and said that I will wean her off.

Funny, when it's the kids, I argue the point out, but when it's me I just give in and say "whatever you think is best", pathetic!

I think I will just carry on and see whether these tablets work after a couple of weeks and carry on breastfeeding. I am having quite a good day today so fingers crossed

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lubu · 17/09/2003 18:07

Sorry, now seeing double!

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mears · 18/09/2003 09:55

Lubu - if you are enjoying feeding then I would think twice about weaning. My sister was started on medication and told she had to stop feeding with her third baby. Baby was 4 months old. What she found was the medication did not help and after a couple of changes of tablets which still did not help, she found and excellent counsellor. She regrets stopping feeding as she said, like you, it was the only thing at the time she was really good at. Please do not be forced to go a long a route you don't want to. You can still feed on Prozac.

aloha · 18/09/2003 10:48

Would it help to think about breastfeeding as something for your baby rather than something for you? Don't want to put more pressure on you, but you do seem to be enjoying feeding and that must be wondeful when you are otherwise depressed. Your GP sounds ill-informed, which isn't that surprising really.

Angiel · 18/09/2003 11:03

I was depressed after I had my 3rd baby and made the decision to stop breast feeding and start taking St Johns Wort.

It was the worst thing I ever did. I forgot to take the pills most of the time so it was completely pointless. I went a few days without feeding my dd and trying to give her a bottle and then decided that I would carry on feeding after all. Unfortunately my milk then all dried up.

My dd didn't get on with a bottle at all and I was consumed with guilt. It turned out that she had an immune deficiency and caught every bug going and I blamed myself as I thought I could have offered her more protection if I had carried on feeding.

In fact the guilt was so great that I wanted to have another baby so I could breast feed again, in an attempt to get it right. I did try to start breastfeeding again later on, but by then my dd didn't want to know.

I would say if you are enjoying breast feeding and it is going well, to keep at it. If you feel guilty for giving up, it won't help your depression at all.

lubu · 02/10/2003 21:10

Just a quick update if anyone is interested. After reading all of your advice, I decided not to wean her off. Mainly because I am enjoying breastfeeding and also because it would be so much hassle. She is only on three feeds a day now and if I need to be away she can use a cup.

Doc and HV won't budge on prozac and breastfeeding issue so have said I am not going to bother with it. As I have mentioned on another post, AF has returned a couple of days ago (first one since giving birth 7 mths ago) and has made me feel really ill and anaemic, doubled up in pain etc, but I do feel a lot calmer and more back to normal, so maybe it all peaked due to a combination of no sleep, severe pmt, hormones balancing out etc etc. We have also put the house on the market which was a very big decision to make but both dh and myself feel better for making it (big house - too costly, long story)!

In conclusion, without your advice I would have weaned her off and regretted it deeply as I am now convinced that I was just stressed, tired, hormonal and possibly just a bit depressed.

Thank you all so much

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pupuce · 05/10/2003 15:58

Lubu - just found this :
Nursing kids on Prozac

By Emily Sohn

Giving birth is painful enough, but many new mothers then grapple with
another form of anguish: postpartum blues. And in these cases, Mom isn't the
only one in trouble.

Babies with depressed moms tend to weigh less after six months than babies
with happy moms; less weight often means more illness. But the same study
that uncovered this disturbing fact has also turned up hope: Breast-fed
babies grow better if depressed moms take drugs that alleviate depression.
This challenges a popular belief that the traces of Prozac, Paxil, and
similar drugs that seep into breast milk can harm a nursing infant.

"Time and again, doctors are telling nursing women that if they're
depressed, they can't take medicine," says Victoria Hendrick, a psychiatrist
at the University of California-Los Angeles and an author of the study. That
may be true during pregnancy. Other research found that pregnant women who
took Paxil during their third trimester were more likely to have infants
with medical complications than were mothers who took other kinds of drugs.
Yet few studies have looked at how Paxil-like antidepressants, known as
selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs), affect life after the womb.

So Hendrick followed a group of nursing babies and their mothers for six
months. Infants with depressed moms who improved on SSRIs grew just as well
as did infants with mentally healthy moms. Both groups grew bigger than
babies whose moms remained depressed, even if they took medicine. "We were
struck by the results," Hendrick says. "It didn't seem like exposure to
antidepressants had any bad effect on the baby's weight." Hendrick's study,
published earlier this year in the Journal of Clinical Psychiatry, also
found that babies whose mothers had major depressive episodes that lasted at
least two months weighed less than babies whose moms were depressed only
mildly or for shorter periods.

Stopping a mother's depression may be key to avoiding longer-term problems
for her children. UCLA psychologist Constance Hammen found that maternal
depression during the child's first 10 years of life increased his or her
chances of being depressed by age 15. Such kids get into more trouble in
school. They may have more accidents, injuries, allergies, headaches,
asthma, and other health problems, says epidemiologist Myrna Weissman of
Columbia University.

So what's a mother to do? As soon as depression becomes chronic or severe,
then it is time to get some help, even if that means taking antidepressants.
"A woman's depression needs to be treated," Hammen says, "because it does
have an effect on her children."

Krythia · 09/10/2006 17:01

Hi Lubu, Haven't read the whole thread, but I was asking a similar question in my thread antidepressants in pregnancy and had a lot of responses from people who breast fed whilst on Prozac, so it may be worth a look

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